Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: The myth of "bugging out into the wild"
I was just on another forum where the question was posed re: what you would take if you were bugging out 'into the unknown'.
Why do people insist on this fantasy?
Just think about it: some disaster is happening, severe enough for you to be forced to leave your home (a fire, hurricane, flood, etc.). Thousands of other people are probably displaced also. You won't be able to camp out on public or private land, even if it's a decent spot (you know the owners will be looking for this sort of activity, shotguns ready). The hotels will either be full or uninhabitable. Shelters, rest stops and campsites will be crowded and dangerous.
Is there some reason you wouldn't want to go stay with family or friends? It seems as though people just think there will be some idyllic mountain area (that no one ELSE knows about) that they can just somehow find (because we're "bugging out into the UNKNOWN"), without being arrested for trespassing, coming across thugs/druggies who have staked out the area already, or falling prey to the elements.
I've had to evacuate before (wildfires) and it really makes it much easier if you have a place to go already. We packed important documents, a few changes of clothes, and the kids' toys and went to grandma's.
Now, if things were so bad that we didn't have that option (a tsunami or its badness equivalent) then it seems better to choose a place to go outside your geographic area IN ADVANCE rather than just "going somewhere".
Is this just a case of "trusting" that "something" will turn up? Some macho "live off the land" wish-fulfillment? Or what? I'm baffled. _________________ Conservation is conservative
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the ones most responsive to change. -- Charles Darwin
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: Re: The myth of "bugging out into the wild"
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Why do people insist on this fantasy?
Because they're dysfunctional, delusional, demented.
The very fact that so many think they can "survive" this way is proof positive that the crash is going to be ugly, protracted, profound.
I've been growing food for years now, have learned to care for and milk cows, harden cider, cook from scratch, you name it, and I still don't feel "comfortable" about a coming crash.
We can't predict what's going to happen, so how do we know what to prepare for?
"Prepare for the worst." What's "worst"?
No one can prepare for starving hordes, and running into the woods is just a sure way to ensure your own demise. _________________ "By the time individuals discover that remaining resources will not be adequate for the next generation, the next generation has already been born. " David Price
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: Re: The myth of "bugging out into the wild"
Maybe people are just tired and want a simpler, less troublesome life. Life alone in the wild is cold, damp, dangerous, you get snakes inside your sleeping bags and your kids/parents/old folks get mauled and eaten by bears or something. You get ill pretty fast, you need caffeine or nicotine, there's nothing to eat and everyone perishes.
Many centuries ago, before coal, oil, NG or whatever, people would already live together. Bug Out types are either suicidal or misinformed. _________________ Environmental News and Clippings:
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Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13191 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: Re: The myth of "bugging out into the wild"
To folks who think they can make it in the wild, I say "Good luck with that."
I was going to run off to the wild when I was young, if I had, I'd be dead now.
I think most people with this fantasy underestimate the difficulties. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: Re: The myth of "bugging out into the wild"
I don't think it's a myth. I think it's very doable. Think about it. Thousands of men did it when the country was being colonized (invaded).
There are plenty of fairly vast, forested areas where you can disappear into the forest. Life would be difficult. And simple. Very simple.
I guess my perspective is this . . . I don't love my own life enough to want to protect it by living in the woods by myself for the next X number of years. Simple as that for me.
I've never got that about people. I met some 70 year old guy who was desperate to live. I'm thinking, "why?" What the hell is it about being on this parasite infested sh1t-hole of a planet that you find so endearing? 70 years isn't enough? _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: The myth of "bugging out into the wild"
My Dad who lived in Ely, MN during the 20's and 30's could do it. Could I? Probably not. _________________ Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: The myth of "bugging out into the wild"
Only a tiny percentage of today's people have the skills, special intelligence, and toughness necessary to survive more than a few weeks on their own in the wild. A century ago (and esp. two centuries ago) that percentage would have been substantially higher.
Not only were they more skilled at surviving, conditions for survival were much better than today's. The wild was purer and better stocked with food sources and clean water.
A few years back there was some sort of criminal who escaped into the woods of western North Carolina (I think it was) and managed to hide out there for several years, living like a mountain man of old. Not sure what happened to him . . . maybe he was finally captured. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: The myth of "bugging out into the wild"
Cashmere wrote:
I don't think it's a myth. I think it's very doable.
Doable for a very select few. I think 99.99999999% of people would be dead after the 1st winter. The mountain man lifestyle would not be fun by any means and would require a lot of training. Trial and error aren't options in the wild.
I don't think it would be that hard to find wilderness area. I grew up hunting and the best hunting areas were places that have about 5 miles inbetween roads. Most people aren't willing to walk more than 2 miles in the mountains. Actually most people can't if you are in a rugged place.
I have a feeling people will flood cities if they are evacuated such as Houston during the Hurricanes. So finding an isolated place won't be too tough but living there is another story.
joeltrout
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4867 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: The myth of "bugging out into the wild"
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Not only were they more skilled at surviving, conditions for survival were much better than today's. The wild was purer and better stocked with food sources and clean water.
Dad lived in the boundary waters during the summer. They would make wood shelters in the wild. Canoe, axe, hand saw, Coffee, potato's an a fishen pole. Must have been pretty neat back in them days. Real wild with Native Americans still living the old way.
Remember, Ely is about 20 miles from Canada. Yup, them old timers are few and far between today. I'm a wimp! _________________ Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: The myth of "bugging out into the wild"
Fantasy wish-fulfillment. The religious apocalypse ushers in the the union of the self with God in the Rapture, where the self is remade and its divinity revealed.
Secular apocapypsies imagine a similar reformation of the self through a union with the unknown, the wilderness, whatever chaotic rupture.
Joined: Aug 26, 2005 Posts: 447 Location: Windy City No Longer
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: The myth of "bugging out into the wild"
Heineken wrote:
A few years back there was some sort of criminal who escaped into the woods of western North Carolina (I think it was) and managed to hide out there for several years, living like a mountain man of old. Not sure what happened to him . . . maybe he was finally captured.
Eric Rudolph. Bomber of abortion clinics and the 1996 Atlanta Olympic games. He was caught. Wikipedia Entry
My understanding is that he "supplemented" his rustic lifestyle by raiding cabins and convenience stores as well. Not sure if that option will be available to future bugger outers.
(Note to self: avoid public lands in event of catastrophe) _________________ TANSTAAFL
Joined: Oct 03, 2004 Posts: 566 Location: Washington State
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: The myth of "bugging out into the wild"
Long-term wilderness living is not "bugging-out"
Getting out of harms way for a few days to a few weeks makes good sense. Hence a bug out bag.
Having a pre-determined destination is essential, even if it is only "to grandmas house"
few will bug out. most will run to the nearest shelter and wait for the relief agency to rescue them. I'll take my chances with the wild critters rather than wait for blackwater et al to "help me" _________________ This is where everybody puts profound words written by another...or not so profound words written by themselves
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Joined: May 06, 2008 Posts: 442 Location: Omicron Ceti 3
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: The myth of "bugging out into the wild"
RedStateGreen wrote:
It seems as though people just think there will be some idyllic mountain area (that no one ELSE knows about) that they can just somehow find (because we're "bugging out into the UNKNOWN"), without being arrested for trespassing, coming across thugs/druggies who have staked out the area already, or falling prey to the elements.
I plan on hiking into the mountains and finding an abandoned lakeside log cabin, complete with fireplace and a kitchen. Please don't destroy that fantasy for me .......
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