Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: Tit for Tat, Russia to put nuclear missiles in Syria?
seahorse wrote:
Who knows about this report, but its interesting nonetheless - if true, the world is spinning off on the wrong trajectory. Debka reports Russia is considering putting nuclear missiles in Syria:
Russia considers nuclear missiles for Syria, Mediterranean, Baltic
DEBKAfile Special Report 17 Aug 2008, 9:18 PM (GMT+02:00)
Quote:
Russia's nuclear-capable Iskandar missile
DEBKAfile's military sources report Moscow's planned retaliation for America's missile interceptors in Poland and US-Israeli military aid to Georgia may come in the form of installing Iskandar surface missiles in Syria and its Baltic enclave of Kaliningrad.
Russian Baltic and Middle East warships, submarines and long-range bombers may be armed with nuclear warheads, according to Sunday newspapers in Europe.
In Georgia, Russian troops and tanks advanced to within 30 km of Tbilisi Saturday, Aug. 15. A Russian general said Sunday they had started pulling out after president Dimitry Medvedev signed the ceasefire agreement with Georgia and president George W. Bush called again for an immediate withdrawal.
After routing Georgia over the breakaway enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, Moscow appears to be eying Poland, the Middle East, and possibly Ukraine, as the main arenas for its reprisals.
One plan on the table in Moscow, DEBKAfile's sources report, is the establishment of big Russian military, naval and air bases in Syria and the release of advanced weapons systems withheld until now to Iran (the S-300 air-missile defense system) and Syria (the nuclear-capable 200 km-range Iskandar surface missile).
Shortly before the Georgian conflict flared, Moscow promised Washington not to let Iran and Syria have these sophisticated pieces of hardware.
The Iskander's cruise attributes make its launch and trajectory extremely hard to detect and intercept. If this missile reaches Syria, Israel will have to revamp its anti-missile defense array and Air Force assault plans for the third time in two years, as it constitutes a threat which transcends all its defensive red lines.
Moscow's war planners know this and are therefore considering new sea and air bases in Syria as sites for the Iskander missiles. Russia would thus keep the missiles under its hand and make sure they were not transferred to Iran. At the same time, Syrian crews would be trained in their operation.
DEBKAfile's military sources report Syrian president Bashar Assad will be invited to Moscow soon to finalize these plans in detail.
Military spokesmen in Moscow said Saturday and Sunday that Russian military planners to started redesigning the nation’s strategic plans for a fitting response to America's decision to install 10 missile interceptors in Poland and the war developments in Georgia.
The chairman of the Israeli Knesset foreign affairs and defense committee, Tzahi Hanegbi, spoke out strongly Sunday, Aug. 17, against treasury plans to slash the defense budget. He warned that the military faced grave confrontations in the coming year - possibly on several fronts.
Debka
If the Israelis believed this to be true, it would probably mean war right now, not later.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: Re: Tit for Tat, Russia to put nuclear missiles in Syria?
The old saying is, if you want peace you must prepare for war. But I heard an older gentleman say "if you want peace you must prepare for peace". Ringing Russia with NATO and putting radar stations and missile sites in Poland and the Czech Republic is not preparing for peace, and we're deluded if we think the Russians are too weak or too stupid to see it for what it is and react. They're not just going to eat that sh!t and call it ice cream; they're going to do something about it. We've been asking for this and now that they're back on their feet again, we're getting it. We've blown it. We could have a had a 21st century with no high-level strife, but we couldn't stop bear baiting. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Tit for Tat, Russia to put nuclear missiles in Syria?
And the Israelis, the great war fomenters, move one step closer to annihilation.
Reap what you sow. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: Re: Tit for Tat, Russia to put nuclear missiles in Syria?
The next ten years grow more uncertain everyday.....
I have pretty much lost all faith in politicians, They just dont do things the way they should be done to keep the peace and prosperity of this once great nation. _________________ Tired of high gas prices? Then stop driving to work, duh..... Learn to Work from home
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Tit for Tat, Russia to put nuclear missiles in Syria?
Fishman wrote:
I agree Nickel, Russia has always responded well to appeasement.
What is it with you guys? Is any act of consideration for someone else's point of view automatically appeasement? If you met someone bleeding in the street, what would you do, step on his neck? Helping him up would be appeasement, and he'd only steal your wallet or something?
So if we hadn't expanded NATO -- let's say we didn't even get rid of it; we just kept it like it was in 1990 -- would we all be in danger now, somehow? Is it appeasement if the US had stuck by the agreements it had with Russia when it was supposed to be a threat, instead of dispensing with them once it looked like Russia was not going to be a threat again?
I think if anything, it was the Russians who've learned appeasement doesn't work. Say what you want about them being on the ropes; they could have made the deconstruction of communism in Eastern Europe a living hell we'd all still be reeling from if they'd wanted to. But they didn't. They let the Berlin Wall come down, they let Germany reunite (AND as part of NATO, which utterly astounded me at the time), they didn't prevent the Warsaw Pact from disbanding and its members going multi-party, and they didn't even fight to hold the Soviet Union together. They decided they wanted to build on what they had, not ruin the continent, and they trusted us to want the same. What did we do? Expand NATO ever closer to their borders, encourage the establishment of right-wing governments in Russia's neighbours, bargain to put radar and missile stations in countries bordering Russia, toss out the ABM Treaty, violate the territorial sovereignty Russia's ancient friend, Serbia (a country on whose behalf it went to war in 1914)...
Appeasement? Pray tell, what bone have we tossed Russia in the past 15 years for them to hit us over the head with? We've been doing nothing but kicking them in the pants and laughing since the Wall came down. Now we're amazed that they're pissed off and they're finally ripping the KICK ME sign off their back and crumpling it up. Incredible. And you've got the GALL to talk about our having APPEASED them. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Tit for Tat, Russia to put nuclear missiles in Syria?
Plantagenet wrote:
"Tit for Tat" means an equivalent response. Nuclear missiles are not a "Tit for Tat" response to non-nuclear missiles....by any rational measure they are an escalation.
What, and expanding NATO isn't? _________________ I can has cheezburger?
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Tit for Tat, Russia to put nuclear missiles in Syria?
Also, deploying nuclears is pretty much the only option for Russia because they can't compete with U.S. when it comes to conventional weapons. _________________ The best about PO is that it constantly unbores me.
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Tit for Tat, Russia to put nuclear missiles in Syria?
Nickel wrote:
Fishman wrote:
I agree Nickel, Russia has always responded well to appeasement.
What is it with you guys? Is any act of consideration for someone else's point of view automatically appeasement? If you met someone bleeding in the street, what would you do, step on his neck? Helping him up would be appeasement, and he'd only steal your wallet or something?
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Tit for Tat, Russia to put nuclear missiles in Syria?
No Russian troops do not have the technologically advanced toys the US has. Unfortunately for us, their one million troops are not deployed in over one hundred countries. We also do not have a draft. We also would not be fighting for our homeland. We cannot win, as Napoleon and Hitler, both with superior armies, found out. _________________ This is where everybody puts profound words written by another...or not so profound words written by themselves
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Tit for Tat, Russia to put nuclear missiles in Syria?
s0ul5 wrote:
Also, deploying nuclears is pretty much the only option for Russia because they can't compete with U.S. when it comes to conventional weapons.
Russia has many other options then deploying nuclear weapons to new sites around the world....for instance, they could invade and loot some additional small countries in the Baltics.
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: Re: Tit for Tat, Russia to put nuclear missiles in Syria?
Nickel wrote:
Fishman wrote:
I agree Nickel, Russia has always responded well to appeasement.
What is it with you guys? Is any act of consideration for someone else's point of view automatically appeasement? If you met someone bleeding in the street, what would you do, step on his neck? Helping him up would be appeasement, and he'd only steal your wallet or something?
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Tit for Tat, Russia to put nuclear missiles in Syria?
Classic war mongering and hubris.
The U.S. has military personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan, 1/3 of the way around the world and on Russia's doorstep.
The U.S. has been making overt gestures of war, complete with a House Resolution that is a declaration of war, toward Iran, on Russia's doorstep.
The U.S. wants to put a "missile shield" in Poland. On Russia's doorstep.
But somehow it's not our fault that things are escalating.
So myopic.
Think about it this way.
What if the Russians invaded and occupied Mexico and then signed a deal with Canada to deploy a "missile defense shield" there.
Just think about that. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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