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Eli Fusion


Joined: Jun 18, 2005 Posts: 3983 Location: In a van down by the river
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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I think what we are seeing is hedgefunds moving money in and out of trades.
As the market changes they are all piling into similar trades trying to keep their monthly preformance up. Financials are not looking good so in mass they pull their cash out and then they reinvest it somewhere else. |
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smallpoxgirl Moderator


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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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$122.02 _________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS |
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firestarter Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Mar 19, 2006 Posts: 1181
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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I think there's starting to be a realization that the Russian conflict is a very serious matter indeed. _________________ Civilization: the biosphere's skin disease |
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Shannymara Moderator


Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 5719 Location: Body in OK, Heart in TX
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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| firestarter wrote: | | I think there's starting to be a realization that the Russian conflict is a very serious matter indeed. |
My initial thought as well.  _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young |
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smallpoxgirl Moderator


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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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Dunno. If I was looking for a fundamental reason, I'd blame Fay. She's apparently headed back across Florida towards the Gulf of Mexico. The bottom line though, is that the price has unwound itself adequately and it's ready to rise again given the right reason. It would have normally jumped up early in the Georgia conflict, but the bear force was just too much and absorbed whatever jitters were out there. The bulls are now taking control again and those jitters translate to price jumps. _________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS |
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firestarter Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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I thought we'd see more downward pressure, especially after yesterday's inventory report. I'm not sure that Fay all by itself would be enough to drive the price of oil $9 north in less than 24hrs, given it's still uncertain trajectory. The Russian thing, on the other hand, scares the crap out of me, and I suspect a number of big time oil traders also. _________________ Civilization: the biosphere's skin disease |
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firestarter Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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One thing I just thought about. Have you noticed the slide in the dollar? Not helping oil bears either. _________________ Civilization: the biosphere's skin disease |
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lowem Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jul 19, 2004 Posts: 1302 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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Anyone else also noticed that oil is going up throughout the futures expiry transition period? (or whatever it is called). That looks bullish to me. _________________ Live quotes - crude oil, gold and currencies
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lowem Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jul 19, 2004 Posts: 1302 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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| firestarter wrote: | | One thing I just thought about. Have you noticed the slide in the dollar? Not helping oil bears either. |
Yep, the USDX looks toppish - it failed to reach 78 resistance, got turned back at 77 and is heading back down to 76. Thought I saw a triple top momentarily but that's probably wishful thinking  _________________ Live quotes - crude oil, gold and currencies
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eastbay Moderator


Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4994 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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Goldman sticking to their $149 prediction. People listen when they speak. Plus, OPEC strongly hinting they'll soon cut production. And don't forget the downward turn in the dollar.
All arrows are pointing up! That's only for today. Tomorrow could be entirely different.  _________________ Got Dharma?
Everything is Impermanent. Shakyamuni Buddha |
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shortonoil Fission


Joined: Dec 02, 2004 Posts: 2752 Location: VA USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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| DantesPeak wrote: | | Also on the demand side, for example, has it occurred to those predicting lower prices that 'demand destruction' will be reversed as prices fall - and therefore prices can not continue to go down? |
Couple what DP said above with the embarrassing fact that the world has just about ZERO spare capacity, and the argument for oil going very low, for very long - goes POOF.
It takes energy to run an economy. As the energy disappears so does the economy, but the pressure on it remains upward as it grows scarcer and scarcer. |
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Chuckmak Intermediate Crude


Joined: Mar 19, 2005 Posts: 858 Location: Bridge City
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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Nice! We're back on track! $150 we'll see you in no time! _________________ "if god doesn't exist, it is necessary that we invent him" - Voltaire
"they say prescott bush funded hitler" - Nas
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DantesPeak Expert


Joined: Oct 23, 2004 Posts: 5928 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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I haven't seen confirmation of this, but thre is some speculation Russia will cut back oil output.
However I previously posted a report three weeks back the Saudi Arabia did scale back their 500,000 bpd June/July output increase.
| Quote: | Political tension sends oil over $120
By Chris Flood
Published: August 21 2008 11:22
Market speculation has been rampant that Vladimir Putin, Russia’s prime minister, has been infuriated by the US and European response on Georgia and has ordered oil exports to be reduced. The Energy Information Administration repeated on Wednesday its forecast that oil prices would trade in a $120-$130 range for the rest of the year.
However, the US government agency also warned that Saudi Arabia, the world’s largest oil producer, could cut back its recent rise in output to contain any further weakness in crude prices. Saudi Arabia boosted crude oil output in July to 9.7m barrels a day from 9.45m b/d in June, far above the informal Opec target. |
FT _________________ It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting. |
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Armageddon Fusion


Joined: Apr 13, 2005 Posts: 3264 Location: St.Louis, Mo
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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| The US defeated the Russians in the cold war by conspiring with the Saudi's to flood the market with oil, therefore driving down the price, which crashed the heavily oil revenue dependant economy of Russia. How ironic would it be if the Russian's conspired with the Saudi's ( or a couple other oil producing countries ) to withhold oil , therefore driving the price of oil even higher, destroying the US economy ? Now that my friends is what is called karma. |
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joeltrout Light Sweet Crude

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Joined: Sep 19, 2007 Posts: 1317
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) |
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| Armageddon wrote: | | How ironic would it be if the Russian's conspired with the Saudi's ( or a couple other oil producing countries ) to withhold oil , therefore driving the price of oil even higher, destroying the US economy ? Now that my friends is what is called karma. |
That would be very interesting. Quick collapse for sure and I am definitely not a doomer.
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