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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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But, the quarry where I'll be getting the gravel does, from time to time, have something (the name escapes me now) that is similar. It's very fine and packs like concrete, too - but it's made from crushed rock. A friend of ours got a few truckloads last time they had it available and re-did her gravel driveway with it. It works great.


Around here, they call that "graded base". It's what they use here as a foundation for asphalt roads & driveways. Our driveway's made of it, and it does work well; packs down very tight, and when it freezes hard is easy to plow.

However, it doesn't prevent weeds from growing in it, as the blackberry plants growing into the driveway from the edges can attest. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Well I guess we're just screwed then. Laughing
I guess there really is no completely good answer. Hopefully what we're doing will last a while, though. If I can just keep the pathways relatively clear for a couple years, until I can get the beds set up well and productive, then I can find time to battle weeds. Or, my kids will be big enough to know what a weed is and not pull up a tomato plant instead. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Books arrived Smile

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How to grow more food
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Smallholders guide
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Read John Seymour last night/this morning. Looks like good advice.

The Green Pharmacy arrived today


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Books arrived Smile

John Seymour
How to grow more food
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

here it is called crusher fine. it hardens just like concrete and is very smooth to drive on.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:33 am    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Got 3 gallons of green beans snapped and in the fridge for canning tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I love home canned green beans. We've always had great success with them. Oowolf says it's a waste to can veggies but I'll keep doing it because they are a great way to round out a meal and they taste great. As long as there are mason lids, beans and heat, I'll be canning them.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:19 am    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Most limestone quarries sell a product that has a mixture of every size from about 3/4" stones down to dust. This stuff packs into an almost waterproof layer.


If you're ordering it by the truckload around here they call it "dirty gravel." It's what we use for our drive and garage floor. One fall, when we had a delivery the kids spent the day playing on the mounds while we shoveled wheelbarrow loads here and there. When they came inside their mittens were able to stand by themselves - the moist fine dust was just like concrete.

It does allow some weeds through - but it takes a year or so. Seems the weeds that come through are the goats' very favorite ones though! They'll gladly help with the weeding Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

CarlinsDarlin wrote:
Well I guess we're just screwed then. Laughing
I guess there really is no completely good answer. Hopefully what we're doing will last a while, though. If I can just keep the pathways relatively clear for a couple years, until I can get the beds set up well and productive, then I can find time to battle weeds. Or, my kids will be big enough to know what a weed is and not pull up a tomato plant instead. Laughing


Have you seen the "weed dragon"? Basically a propane torch, you sear the weeds and they don't come back. I hear it works well if you get them small. Not for kids, you must take care with it. I bet something similar could even be improvised.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

a tiger torch works just fine for lighting weeds on fire. They're normally used for torch down roofing and should be available at most decent hardware stores.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I got a torch like that from Harbor Freight for under $20. No tank, just the torch. No regulator req'd, just screw it on and go. Puts out a monster flame, 3 feet long when you squeeze the trigger. I use it every couple years to clean the fencerow, but plan on having a hose handy to put out the fire!!!! And wait for wet weather to do it--not to worry, it will burn wet weeds.....
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I got a bunch of lovely superpails in yesterday. I think I'm close to my goal on food storage. Spent a good portion of today putting them away and cleaning my storm room, which flooded a bit with the rains we've had lately.

I learned, though, that if you're storing cans in places that may become damp or flooded (basement/storm room) that you should take off the paper label and use a Sharpie to mark on the bottom what's in the can and any special directions. After several months in a damp room that paper label becomes moldy and disgusting.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

RedStateGreen,

Watch out for rust on cans in a damp area.


Today I plowed the lower garden ( a total disaster this year) and, having done the upper garden last week, planted a row each of turnips and kale there. Very dry here, but we are due for rain this weekend, so I may put in some late beets, radishes, lettuce, and anything else I can think of tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Watch out for rust on cans in a damp area.

I hear you ... no rust yet, but I'm thinking of either moving these cans to a different spot or building/getting a rack to put them on. It seemed ideal at the time, since the temperature is evenly cool. It's the dampness that's really the issue. The water table seems fairly high here; any good amount of rain and it just seeps in the concrete walls. Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:47 am    Post subject: Re: Today I made / bought / learnt .... (for a post oil worl Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Did some last minute purchases to get ready Faye:
10# ground beef
2# ground turkey
20# chicken thighs and drumsticks
50# hard red winter wheat
50# soybeans
50# corn
20# rice
25# sugar
50# salt block
24 packs of mason jar lids (a box)
brown sugar, beans, and assorted other grocery items in minor amounts
some buckets and tubs

Oh...and a light for the bathroom

Yesterday and today's projects included hanging around inside, watching the last part of a movie, and processing all this stuff.

some of the soybeans became tofu, using this video as a guide. I went with lemon juice, as apparently Wal-mart does not carry edible anhydrous calcium sulfate, at least not where I looked. Can't imagine why they don't carry it.

The process was simple enough. Using the video as a template, I made a mold out of some scrap lumber, slapped it together yesterday. The mold mostly did the job as intended but there were some issues with the top section cupping heavily and the wood swelling from all the moisture resulting in a tight fit in places. I'm thinking stainless steel screws will hold up better to corrosion. The next mold will address these issues and I'll make it out of cedar rather than scrub pine.

I tried some of the soy milk in coffee. It did the job as intended, but the flavor was slightly off. At least I can produce non-dairy creamer. Getting used to it may not be a project I pursue.

The finished product was a bit soft. I made some adjustments and pressed it further which seemed to do the trick. I had the chance to try soft tofu, did not care for the texture. The do-over was acceptably firm. Not being familiar with tofu, I'm not able to tell what the quality of the product should have been. This batch came out with the texture and appearance of feta cheese. I'll try another batch in order to compare.

The taste segment of the experiment showed that the stuff is not all that great as a stand alone dish, unless that dish is supposed to taste like sawdust. Dinner was Chicken and Dumplings, the tofu went along with that just fine. Other methods of preparation included sauteeing with vegetable oil, with saturated fat from beef and with chicken grease. The beef grease worked the best.
The weighing of the stuff shows that 21 ounces of soybeans (26 cents/pound) produced about 3# tofu. This works out to 12 cents/pound for a meat substitute. Hell of a price.

I also ended up with mashed soybeans as a byproduct. I'll mixit with grease and feed the chickens. I'm sure there are other uses for the stuff. Any suggestions? Anyone have experience with tofu?

Project #2 was chunky meat sauce. This was the source of the grease used with project #1. I add diluted tomato sauce when canning. The beef and turkey went in. 9 quarts came out.

Project #3 was more chicken in jars. Sure is handy having it around.

Today will see cleanup in the kitchen, packing stuff in mylar and buckets. The storm is centered about 20 miles south of me right now. Getting some light wind, some fair gusts, a little rain. Not much of a storm for all the hype. The chickens are putting up with it well.
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