Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: Organic.......
The term "organic" has become a marketing tool much as the term "green" has become popular as a tool to let everyone know this business or that is cool.
While the term organic is better defined that it was 15 years ago, it still is not a strict definition everywhere.
But what I was getting at is that the promoters of the day actually believed we could return to family-based agriculture as it once was here in the U.S. Now, it is invaded by corporate ag and food marketing interests.
Today's agribusiness credo is: "If it ain't big, it ain't!"
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
korosten wrote:
Oildummy, let's see if we can agree on any of the following:
1. the earths mass is finite
2. therefore oil is finite
3. therefore oil will have an end sometime
4. therefore oil production will have a peak flow at some point (called peak oil)
Where do you disagree so far?
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
Oh, look... oil is up almost $6 right now.
How about that! _________________ When somebody makes a statement you don't understand, don't tell him he's crazy. Ask him what he means. -- Otto Harkaman, Space Viking
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
skeptik wrote:
OilDummy wrote:
Well, peck, you are exactly right and woefully wrong. I am fat, I am nearly bald too, but I have done the homework..
You unfortunately caused some confusion by stating that you haven't done your homework in an earlier post
Gosh, This is a pretty picky bunch here. I said I hadn't done my homework in reference to preparing for this forum. Does anyone think someone keeps pages of information at their fingertips for something like this? I was just roaming around and came across this. This is not my regular church, not my pew. I don't belong here, obviously, and if I can respectfully find the door, I'll be out of here as quickly as I came.....but if the attacks keep coming, I won't tolerate that.
Oh, just so you folks know, I am doing my part. In my job each day I consume in the neighborhood of 1,000 to 5,000 gallons of diesel during a shift. That'll make it so you small car freaks can have your way that much more quickly.
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:12 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
OilDummy wrote:
korosten wrote:
Oildummy, let's see if we can agree on any of the following:
1. the earths mass is finite
2. therefore oil is finite
3. therefore oil will have an end sometime
4. therefore oil production will have a peak flow at some point (called peak oil)
Where do you disagree so far?
Number Two.
Please explain how oil can be infinite? _________________ "It's still all about energy!"
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
OilDummy wrote:
korosten wrote:
Oildummy, let's see if we can agree on any of the following:
1. the earths mass is finite
2. therefore oil is finite
3. therefore oil will have an end sometime
4. therefore oil production will have a peak flow at some point (called peak oil)
Where do you disagree so far?
Number Two.
Logical fallacy. If one is true then two is true...
Well, if you want to leave then this was just a peek at the peak so to speak... But you'll be back when it climbs even higher. The idea is in the back of your mind now, you just need to see the proof apparently rather than extrapolate from production and historical facts...
-G _________________ I Have and will continue to vote against ANY politician who supports the various bailouts. Curse you for selling out our future for status quo now!
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
OilDummy wrote:
korosten wrote:
Oildummy, let's see if we can agree on any of the following
1. the earths mass is finite
2. therefore oil is finite
3. therefore oil will have an end sometime
4. therefore oil production will have a peak flow at some point (called peak oil)
Where do you disagree so far?
Number Two.
Welcome,
Don't let the less restrained among us scare you off.
We host a pretty diverse set of folks around here, (as you have no doubt deduced).
You probably need to posit some more specific arguments to get any traction around here though.
anyway... glad to have you here, & please let me know if there is anything I can do for you. _________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
eastbay wrote:
jlw61 wrote:
Oh, look... oil is up almost $6 right now. How about that!
Yeah, and it's about time. We don't need any more July's, now, do we?
Yes - and the "news" tells us the reason it is up...
Quote:
Oil prices shot up $6 a barrel Thursday, rising to the highest level in two weeks as escalating tensions with Russia stoked fears of a disruption of energy shipments to Western countries.
Gee - if oil just bubbles up continually from the earth...we should be at $5/b...heck it should be "free"... _________________ 500 MPH into a brick wall - me
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
Roccland wrote:
eastbay wrote:
jlw61 wrote:
Oh, look... oil is up almost $6 right now. How about that!
Yeah, and it's about time. We don't need any more July's, now, do we?
Yes - and the "news" tells us the reason it is up...
Quote:
Oil prices shot up $6 a barrel Thursday, rising to the highest level in two weeks as escalating tensions with Russia stoked fears of a disruption of energy shipments to Western countries.
www.ino.com Gee - if oil just bubbles up continually from the earth...we should be at $5/b...heck it should be "free"...
So you see OilDummy, what we do here at po.com is look at and study the facts regarding the energy supply situation. We then analyze the facts, discuss the facts, argue about the facts ... and arrive at 100 different interpretations!
No seriously, po is real. It's why supply is now getting tighter than ever. It's why so many nations are converting from oil exporters to oil importers. The amount available for purchase will be ever-shrinking from now on thereby raising the price.
You waltzed in here at a very good time. Stick around and you WILL learn all about this terrifying phenomenon. _________________ Got Dharma?
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
Roccland wrote:
Gee - if oil just bubbles up continually from the earth...we should be at $5/b...heck it should be "free"...
Well, Einstein, that shows how little you know about things. Look under your feet, what do you see? Dirt, soil, earth, fill...depends on what you want to do with it. But that spot under your feet may be worthless or valuable depending on who needs it, where it is needed, how much of that type is available, etc.
Today's oil price is a reflection of speculation to some degree and other factors as well. Remember, Jed Clampett's oil was worthless to him and he was hoping the Gummint man was there to drain the swamp of it.
Now on to facts, here's what I found quickly....not what i had found some time ago, but along the same lines: link
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But you'll be back when it climbs even higher. The idea is in the back of your mind now, you just need to see the proof apparently rather than extrapolate from production and historical facts...
