Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4867 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
OilDummy wrote:
Roccland wrote:
Gee - if oil just bubbles up continually from the earth...we should be at $5/b...heck it should be "free"...
Well, Einstein, that shows how little you know about things. Look under your feet, what do you see? Dirt, soil, earth, fill...depends on what you want to do with it. But that spot under your feet may be worthless or valuable depending on who needs it, where it is needed, how much of that type is available, etc. Today's oil price is a reflection of speculation to some degree and other factors as well. Remember, Jed Clampett's oil was worthless to him and he was hoping the Gummint man was there to drain the swamp of it. Now on to facts, here's what I found quickly....not what i had found some time ago, but along the same lines: link
1 thing, you gotta remember oildummy, this place is full of PO fundamentalists. No different than those religious ones. You will be brow-beat relentlessly here until to conform with the PO sheeple ppl. _________________ Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
OilDummy wrote:
korosten wrote:
Oildummy, let's see if we can agree on any of the following:
1. the earths mass is finite
2. therefore oil is finite
3. therefore oil will have an end sometime
4. therefore oil production will have a peak flow at some point (called peak oil) Where do you disagree so far?
Number Two.
Ah. Sounds like an abiotic oil believer. That one was beat to death years ago oildummy. It is a theory that was proposed in the early days of oil, long before geologists had any understanding of the nature and source of oil. No petro-geologist worth his salt today gives it any credence whatsoever.
Welcome to the forum btw. And just as an fyi, this place, unlike most internet forums, is populated largely by articulate, intelligent, well informed people who have done extensive homework on all facets of this phenomenon. Even our wonderfully ascerbic Roccman up there; he just has little patience for uninformed opinion and makes no bones about calling it out when he sees it. _________________ "It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
vision-master wrote:
1 thing, you gotta remember oildummy, this place is full of PO fundamentalists. No different than those religious ones. You will be brow-beat relentlessly here until to conform with the PO sheeple ppl.
Yeah, I see that.
My comparative newness and lack of indoctrination was SUPPOSED to be conveyed by my handle. Why in the world would anyone choose a name like that if there was any amount of pretense brought along with it.
I think the hunters saw a "fresh-meat" target and took aim at the sight of first fallibility.
And I want them to know I don't much appreciate that.
Life is stranger than fiction...it can take twists and turns you could never imagine. We might happen upon each other some day. We may enter into conversation. There may be congeniality. We may even become friends. But I will always remember...remember your biting words and unkind attitude. I will not call you out, I won't remind you of your deeds...but I will always know...and I will never trust you completely. Take that thought with you to your grave, my friend. (Not you, razz, the others.)
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Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4994 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
OilDummy wrote:
vision-master wrote:
1 thing, you gotta remember oildummy, this place is full of PO fundamentalists. No different than those religious ones. You will be brow-beat relentlessly here until to conform with the PO sheeple ppl.
Yeah, I see that.
Instead of stepping into this party swinging a baseball bat, maybe a gentler approach might work. You know, maybe treat this as a learning experience rather than target practice? Try that instead for awhile and maybe you'll convert and become 'One Of Us'. _________________ Got Dharma?
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
eastbay wrote:
OilDummy wrote:
vision-master wrote:
1 thing, you gotta remember oildummy, this place is full of PO fundamentalists. No different than those religious ones. You will be brow-beat relentlessly here until to conform with the PO sheeple ppl.
Yeah, I see that.
Instead of stepping into this party swinging a baseball bat, maybe a gentler approach might work. You know, maybe treat this as a learning experience rather than target practice? Try that instead for awhile and maybe you'll convert and become 'One Of Us'.
-G _________________ I Have and will continue to vote against ANY politician who supports the various bailouts. Curse you for selling out our future for status quo now!
OD - James Howard Kunstler also lives in upstate NY and is probably the most well-know writer on peak oil; you might take an interest in his book the Long Emergency. If you have a sincere interest in the subject, Search the site for any questions you might have; and if you're an insincere troll, may you and your family get eaten by zombies!
No, seriously, welcome to the site. _________________ Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
C'mon man, who're you gonna believe?
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
eastbay wrote:
OilDummy wrote:
vision-master wrote:
1 thing, you gotta remember oildummy, this place is full of PO fundamentalists. No different than those religious ones. You will be brow-beat relentlessly here until to conform with the PO sheeple ppl.
Yeah, I see that.
Instead of stepping into this party swinging a baseball bat, maybe a gentler approach might work. You know, maybe treat this as a learning experience rather than target practice? Try that instead for awhile and maybe you'll convert and become 'One Of Us'.
Are you talking to me? Why would I want to be accepted:
1) in a place I'm not welcome?
2) in a place that treats newcomers/strangers so poorly?
3) where baseball bats are reserved for the residents and recommended to be excluded from the newbies?
I've been around long enough and read extensively enough to know there are few "experts" even amongst those who make such claims. Knowing that, I roam from place to place challenging any tightly held view in an attempt, not so much to shake anyone from their heartfelt views, but to make them painfully aware that there is opposition, just as strong as their beliefs, to their often fringe beliefs.
I am a rabble-rouser and proud of it. I mean no harm. I want you to think. I've done all my thinking already and I know where I stand.
That doesn't mean I'm ignorant, just means I'm not going to change, for whatever reason. Maybe I think it's too late to change, won't do any good.
Does anyone know, off the top of their heads, where PO gets its funding...or does it self-support? That'd be an answer to know...yes it would.
Joined: Apr 06, 2006 Posts: 3626 Location: 3 miles NW of Champoeg, Republic of Cascadia
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
Seriously.
Also, your link is courtesy of a news source usually referred to by people with triple digit IQs as Wing Nut Daily. Jerome Corsi once asked how you could find oil thousands of feet below the ocean's surface, when it's preposterous that dinosaurs could ever live down there. I mean, come on! _________________ Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
C'mon man, who're you gonna believe?
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
Abiotic oil?
HawkMan...
I want my 30 seconds back... _________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
Joined: Jun 29, 2008 Posts: 83 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA / San Jose, CA
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
I really don't agree with Oildummy...
Oil is finite, and I guess for many of us it seems to be obvious...
I must say though, theoretically.... oil is renewable, on a VERY LONG TERM BASIS...
example: if the human population was small enough (1000s of times smaller), and didn't grow at an exponential rate, oil, in theory could form at the same rate of extraction... unless theres a flaw in my logic?
Joined: Jun 29, 2008 Posts: 83 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA / San Jose, CA
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
OilDummy wrote:
I am a rabble-rouser and proud of it. I mean no harm. I want you to think.
I've done all my thinking already and I know where I stand.
Theres a humbleness with which a new community member enters an established community, especially with alternative views. I have been here a short time, but this community is very open to alternative views and accomodate anyone who reciprocates respect.
This community tends to place the burden of proof on your views, not the other way around.
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