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vampyregirl
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 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: Wind Energy |
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Shell WindEnergy, dedicated to clean renewable power since 2000.
In October of 2000 Royal Dutch Shell became the first petroleum producer to commision wind turbines, building a small wind park in Harburg, Germany. that was just the begining.
Today Shell is a partner in the La Muela wind parks in Spain which are producing 99 megawatts, enough to power about 70k Spanish homes and Shell's first major offshore wind farm, Egmond aan Zee is producing 108 megawatts, enough for about 100k Dutch homes.
Shell's first wind park in America was built in 2001, in Rock River Wyoming. It has a 50 megawatt capacity. The second, White Deer in Texas is 80 megawatt capacity.
The Colorado Green is producing 162 megawatts.
More wind parks are coming soon in America, China and other countries |
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joeltrout
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: WindEnergy |
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Your last two topics sound like you are trying to get people to invest money.
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essex
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: WindEnergy |
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Intermittent and expensive wind is not the magic bullet some hope. The community where I live is certainly stressing over a proposed wind farm.
www.palmerston-north.info |
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aahala2
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: Re: WindEnergy |
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| essex wrote: | | Intermittent and expensive wind is not the magic bullet some hope. The community where I live is certainly stressing over a proposed wind farm. www.palmerston-north.info |
Oh my God! You can actually see the towers from the street.
Sure glad that other power plants and utility poles are invisible. |
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mos6507
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: Re: WindEnergy |
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| aahala2 wrote: | | essex wrote: | | Intermittent and expensive wind is not the magic bullet some hope. The community where I live is certainly stressing over a proposed wind farm. www.palmerston-north.info |
Oh my God! You can actually see the towers from the street. Sure glad that other power plants and utility poles are invisible. |
You know, windmills are tourist attractions in Holland. But in people's backyards they are eyesores?
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lys3rg0
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: WindEnergy |
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| aahala2 wrote: | | essex wrote: | | Intermittent and expensive wind is not the magic bullet some hope. The community where I live is certainly stressing over a proposed wind farm. www.palmerston-north.info |
Oh my God! You can actually see the towers from the street. Sure glad that other power plants and utility poles are invisible. |
These things are so cool and sexy, i would actually pay more to live in the vicinity  Why do americans think it affects their property value? 
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VMarcHart
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: WindEnergy |
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| mos6507 wrote: | | You know, windmills are tourist attractions in Holland. But in people's backyards they are eyesores? |
Wind power developer, here. I wouldn't want one in my backyard. |
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dinopello
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joelcolorado
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: WindEnergy |
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| I would vote to have one in every persons backyard if necessary to keep us out of the middle east and that mess. One soldiers life is not worth keeping my pretty view. I chose to have electricity for everythjng so have to do my part too. |
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VMarcHart
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: WindEnergy |
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| joelcolorado wrote: | | I would vote to have one in every persons backyard if necessary to keep us out of the middle east and that mess. One soldiers life is not worth keeping my pretty view. I chose to have electricity for everythjng so have to do my part too. |
Then I'd agree. Just remember, the oil from the Middle East doesn't power our ACs and microwave ovens; it powers our 1-block drives to Blockbuster.
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joelcolorado
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: WindEnergy |
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| We purchase natural gas from overseas too and that can be used in cars. THe electricity can be used in cars. Or to make hydrogen from water. Its not THE answer but part of THE answer. You need 8 slices of pie to make a whole pie. |
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VMarcHart
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: WindEnergy |
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| joelcolorado wrote: | | We purchase natural gas from overseas too and that can be used in cars. THe electricity can be used in cars. Or to make hydrogen from water. Its not THE answer but part of THE answer. You need 8 slices of pie to make a whole pie. |
Most "overseas" natural gas come from Canada and Mexico, with whom I hope we're not at war yet. The ~20 million barrels we import daily have energy equivalent to 750 nuclear power plants, or 7 times the US fleet or about half the world's fleet. You need to install over one million (1,000,000) utility-scale wind mills across the country to offset the oil imports. But since they have a 30% net capacity factor, you actually have to install shy of four million (4,000,000) eyesore wind mills. Demand growth not computed, of course. Good luck with that, and actually, it's good for me because you'll guarantee I'll never have to worry about job security again. |
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joelcolorado
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Wind Energy |
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My son in laws doctoral thesis is on alternate energy. It states that Kansas alone can provide 27% of the entire USA demand for electricity from wind. I would believe it as it never quits blowing here. We laugh our asses off when the hurricane pics are on the weather channel and there as SUSTAINED winds of 50 mph. THAT IS not too far off our daily average.
Not many days the flags dont stand straight out where I live. But the county chased the wind company out of town as they were ugly. Go figure. And an oil well or grain elevator or power poles are NOT> |
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VMarcHart
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:26 am Post subject: Re: Wind Energy |
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| joelcolorado wrote: | My son in laws doctoral thesis is on alternate energy. It states that Kansas alone can provide 27% of the entire USA demand for electricity from wind. I would believe it as it never quits blowing here. We laugh our asses off when the hurricane pics are on the weather channel and there as SUSTAINED winds of 50 mph. THAT IS not too far off our daily average.
Not many days the flags dont stand straight out where I live. But the county chased the wind company out of town as they were ugly. Go figure. And an oil well or grain elevator or power poles are NOT |
Joel, please! Supply the country with electricity produced in Kansas is like watering Central Park from Kansas with a garden hose. It doesn't work like that.
Some facts for you and your son-in-law:
1. The US needs about 1,000,000 MWs of capacity. 27% is 270,000 MWs, or 180,000 wind turbines. Each turbine requires about 100 acres, or 18,000,000 acres, or 34% of Kansas' surface. Even with the outstanding wind in Kansas, the net capacity factor is only 45%, so you'll need about 50% of the states surface to achieve your pipe dream of supplying 27% of the nations electricity, and all this is intermittent power. Does it sound realistic to you? A wind turbine every 250 acres!?
2. Class I wind is about 10-11m/s or 22-24mph, not 50mph. Sorry. |
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vampyregirl
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Wind Energy |
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| Shell and Luminant are collaborating on a 3000 megawatt wind park in Texas. that will be the by far the largest wind park in history that i'm aware of. I haven't heard an expected completion date yet. |
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