Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Smart! Maximize the value and energy payback (EROEI) of the panels, but displace the benefits and costs. Chunk it up to make it affordable, too!
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Power here, Solar there...
Then I guess the Sahara would make for the ideal spot? Heck, if we can get a Trans-Atlantic (and Pacific) cable down, why not? _________________ Every action has an opposite and equal reaction.
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: Power here, Solar there...
And in 20 years the PV panels still have 10 to 30 + years of life in them, and I paid for them up front, and no longer get the benefit of them. Better to buy them and install them yourself.
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Power here, Solar there...
I can see advantages in "purchasing" solar panels to be installed in another location if you rent or are in a location with a reliable supply of solar energy.
But many questions exist, such as, what is the long term financial viability of the plan? They are asking for thousands of dollars, possibly around $20K to cover electricity needs for a typical US household. Can this plan guarantee to pay your electric bill for 20 years, especially if you happen to depend on electricity generated by non-renewable sources? What if electricity costs skyrocket due to shortages of coal and natural gas?
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Power here, Solar there...
from their website:
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Each panel produces an average output of 15kWh per year.
How small are these "panels"? I work it out to 41 watts a day (enough to run a small light-bulb for 1 hour) or an output 5 watts per hour 8 hours a day.
$16,000 (55 euros per panel) will buy you 1 kw of capacity (assuming 8 hours sunlight). Isn't $16 a watt a little bit much for solar? Especially if you only get 20 years worth of use.
A quick google search of the company (solarpower4all) doesn't give me much. The company has a nice website, there is a cheesy utube video, and a poster named "solarpower4all" spamming multiple sites with cut and paste over the last 6 weeks. That all that google can tell me about this "company".
I've got nothing against generating giga-watts of solar-power in the lower latitudes of the world, but I think I am going to hold off on purchasing any of their "solar energy certificates".
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