Oil's energy contribution has declined by about 12% since 1999. The world's economies have also declined by about 12%. (Using conventional metrics, which are time delayed determinations, this will only be seen in hind sight). The massive destruction of asset values now occurring testifies to it happening.
Peak is well behind us, world economies have peaked and will continue to decline.
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:42 am Post subject: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
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As we have often stressed, the bioenergy debate is not about a lack of resources (land, water), but about the way in which production chains are optimised and waste streams reduced. A new report by the Food & Agriculture Organisation (FAO), the International Water Management Institute (IWMI), and Stockholm Water Management Institute (SIWI), shows indeed that the world produces more than enough food to sustain the global population, but warns that a staggering half of all this food is currently wasted. And so is the water needed to produce it. The good thing about these dramatic findings is that there is ample room for a variety of waste-reduction strategies.
In the United States, for example, 30 percent of all food, worth 48.3 billion dollars (€32.5 billion), is thrown away each year: [This] corresponds to 40 trillion litres of irrigation water, enough water to meet the household needs of 500 million people. - Saving Water: From Field to Fork
Let's throw away a bit less, shall we?
Or maybe it would simply be better to make food more expensive, because now it is way too cheap, - people just throw it away like it's worth nothing.
Maybe we should quintuple food prices, so people become a bit more sane. _________________ The Beginning is Near!
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
A lot of this food disposal occurs long before consumers go shopping. Due to marketing delusions, it is typical for two headed carrots and oddly shaped potatoes (for example) to never be offered for purchase. There was a report on this issue years ago on Canada's CTV and from what I can recall it was not the farmers doing the sorting.
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
I used to work for a grocery food chain. In the meat dept we threw away stuff that had "expired". There was nothing wrong with the meat. However management didn't want any issues about consumers getting sick. Alot of waste has been driven by the incredibly liability saturated world we live in. Its probably fine but throw it out just in case. In the produce department they waste about 50% of the overall produce. If its bruised or funny looking they throw it out. Consumers have almost no control over this.
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
Recently at the supermarket, I inquired about a barrel full of corn husks and other vegetable refuse that the store was going to throw out. I could feed them to the pigs and cows.
The clerk seemed very amenable to my taking the waste, "because we just throw tons of this stuff out every day." But he had to check.
He came back with the following missive from his "superiors": "We can't give that stuff away, because if your animals choke to death we could be sued."
Thus, into Olduvai Gorge we slide. _________________ "By the time individuals discover that remaining resources will not be adequate for the next generation, the next generation has already been born. " David Price
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
Not wasting food will not solve the problem of undernourished and starving people. Instead, it will actually increase their numbers.
There's no point in increasing the food supply if this only leads to more people and thus more demand for food and everything else and thus more damage to the underlying natural systems.
When, oh when, will we get a clue? The unifying issue is the vast and still-expanding size of the human population and its bottomless demands. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: Re: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
Troyboy1208 wrote:
I used to work for a grocery food chain. In the meat dept we threw away stuff that had "expired". There was nothing wrong with the meat. However management didn't want any issues about consumers getting sick. Alot of waste has been driven by the incredibly liability saturated world we live in. Its probably fine but throw it out just in case. In the produce department they waste about 50% of the overall produce. If its bruised or funny looking they throw it out. Consumers have almost no control over this.
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
killJOY wrote:
Recently at the supermarket, I inquired about a barrel full of corn husks and other vegetable refuse that the store was going to throw out. I could feed them to the pigs and cows. The clerk seemed very amenable to my taking the waste, "because we just throw tons of this stuff out every day." But he had to check.
He came back with the following missive from his "superiors": "We can't give that stuff away, because if your animals choke to death we could be sued." Thus, into Olduvai Gorge we slide.
the party line at the store I work at is that "a guy who said he was giving it to his pigs was selling it and someone got sick and sued us..."
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
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the party line at the store I work at is that "a guy who said he was giving it to his pigs was selling it and someone got sick and sued us..."
Very interesting. (The idea of feeding corn husks to people is hilarious.) Is this an urban legend?
In any case, the moral of this story is: CAPITALISTS NEVER GIVE AWAY ANYTHING FREE. NOT EVEN GARBAGE.
P.S. I'm reminded of my (insane) teenage days, when I worked at a McDonald's "restaurant." One time, some "bums" came to the back door to ask if we had any "waste" they could have. The manager lied and said no, though we had a full waste bucket full of "expired" burgers.
After they left, the MGR made some contemptuous remark and then instructed me to step on the burgers in the bucket and throw them into the dumpster. _________________ "By the time individuals discover that remaining resources will not be adequate for the next generation, the next generation has already been born. " David Price
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: Re: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
I live in Chicago, and there is a lot of waste at the bigger chain stores that are owned by Albertson's, I don't shop there. Too "glitzy" for me, and they are expensive.
I shop at a little mid-sized place, owned by 2 Greek men. (Greeks are either in the Restaurant or Produce business around here.)The business is called "Windy City Grocery" and they are well-loved. They are good with prices and have lots of ethnic vegetables for their many different nationalities that shop with them.
They offer reduced prices on the produce that is beyond "prime market" and package it up with others, and reduce the price, put it on a sales cart. People love this, who takes advantage of this is myself, (if I am not growing certain items myself) and students, seniors, and others on a buldget. (which is mostly everyone that shops there.) Bread comes in from bakeries, but gets ground up into pre-packaged bread crumbs for putting on food, or rolling onto breaded meat, etc. Nothing is wasted if they can help it. Of course Moldy items are thrown away, but with the aforementioned system, little gets to the moldy state.
Meat sales are projected, they have good basic cuts of meat and some ethnic meats (Halal and Polish and Spanish style sausages, for instance.)
If there isn't something available, they can get it for you, so expensive meats are not laying around with no possible customer to claim it, and needs be thrown away. You have to place orders for Turkeys during the Holidays. Same with the Spiral-cut honey hams. They don't..and can't afford to loose out.
They don't ask an arm and a leg for their produce, but they don't offer "organic" or other vegetables like that, which is the only drawback. There is another guy, "Stanley's", down about 3 miles from my house, that does, but he takes advantage of the uppity market that has become gentrified in his area, and his prices are out of sight. I'd rather shop at the local farmers' market in the Market season as an alternative.
These 2 old Greek men I know to be fair and honest. Wish there were more little guys like them. It's part of the "little neighborhood" in the big city some of us like.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
Heineken wrote:
When, oh when, will we get a clue? The unifying issue is the vast and still-expanding size of the human population and its bottomless demands.
+1 I'm nominating this for the member quotes panel.
I fear the answer to your question is "Not soon enough". _________________ Joe P. United Political Debate
"Only when the last tree is cut; only when the last river is polluted; only when the last fish is caught; only then will they realize that you cannot eat money." - Cree Indian Proverb
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
Heineken wrote:
Not wasting food will not solve the problem of undernourished and starving people. Instead, it will actually increase their numbers.
There's no point in increasing the food supply if this only leads to more people and thus more demand for food and everything else and thus more damage to the underlying natural systems.
When, oh when, will we get a clue? The unifying issue is the vast and still-expanding size of the human population and its bottomless demands.
Remember: more food = less people.
A basic rule in the history of demography and economics:
The societies who have made the transition to low fertility rates now have enough wealth to become more rational, post-capitalist, efficient consumers. Japan and Europe are there.
The middle economies are the most dangerous, because they still have relatively high fertility rates, and very primitive capitalist consumer cultures, which wreck the planet. This is the U.S.
The low income economies, with their high fertility rates, need more food to lower their fertility rates. That's the first step. _________________ The Beginning is Near!
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
killJOY wrote:
Recently at the supermarket, I inquired about a barrel full of corn husks and other vegetable refuse that the store was going to throw out. I could feed them to the pigs and cows. -snip- He came back with the following missive from his "superiors": "We can't give that stuff away, because if your animals choke to death we could be sued."
HHmm.. Maybe next time, tell them you want the waste for your compost pile? _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
Heineken wrote:
Not wasting food will not solve the problem of undernourished and starving people. Instead, it will actually increase their numbers.
There's no point in increasing the food supply if this only leads to more people and thus more demand for food and everything else and thus more damage to the underlying natural systems.
When, oh when, will we get a clue? The unifying issue is the vast and still-expanding size of the human population and its bottomless demands.
Yup, God in his infinite wisdom Created "Jevon's paradox" as universal inescapable law of nature. Uhmm... not.
Start doubting by asking yourself this: does Jevon's paradox and it's PO interpretation apply without exception only to "others" and not you yourself (and other PO savvy)? Or does it apply to each and everybody, you and me included? If I just buy enough barrels on the future market, my grandkids will breed like rabbits?
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
lorenzo wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Not wasting food will not solve the problem of undernourished and starving people. Instead, it will actually increase their numbers.
There's no point in increasing the food supply if this only leads to more people and thus more demand for food and everything else and thus more damage to the underlying natural systems.
When, oh when, will we get a clue? The unifying issue is the vast and still-expanding size of the human population and its bottomless demands.
A basic rule in the history of demography and economics:
The societies who have made the transition to low fertility rates now have enough wealth to become more rational, post-capitalist, efficient consumers. Japan and Europe are there.
Nonsense, Lorenzo. Japan and most European countries are major Earth rapists. They are net importers of food. Japan is destroying the world's oceans in its ceaseless quest for seafood at any cost.
And the countries with the smallest environmental footprints are the starving impoverished ones. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Report: world throws away 50% of all food
Heinecken, you're right, but itstill makes me angry if food is wasted in that way. If you grow your stuff yourself you know how much work it is. And industrialized farming is maybe less work but lots of inputs greenhouse gases etc. This should not be wasted. We could farm in a more sustainable way.
It makes me angry if the church run (!) childcare puts bins on the table were children can put their sandwiches they don't like. Or apples are cut that the whole middle is thrown away. People are so wasteful!
If you're brought up like this you will act the same way as a store manager.
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