Oil's energy contribution has declined by about 12% since 1999. The world's economies have also declined by about 12%. (Using conventional metrics, which are time delayed determinations, this will only be seen in hind sight). The massive destruction of asset values now occurring testifies to it happening.
Peak is well behind us, world economies have peaked and will continue to decline.
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Remember the fallen
Cashmere wrote:
Don't confuse Jews with Zionists. Noahm Chompsky is a great man, a great intellectual, and a Jew, but he is not a Zionist.
Inequity within our society? The U.S. over the last 100 years has provided the greatest opportunity in the history of the planet for an individual to be successful notwithstanding his or her race/religion/creed. Obama is living proof of that.
The inequity in our society is about as low as inequity is going to get, given the constraints of our biological impulses to hate everything different than ourselves.
As for Christians, what do you want me to say? Christians are a very loose knit bunch. Not like Muslims or Jews. They don't act in concert, for the most part, and they don't view themselves, typically, as first Christian and then something else.Most Jews see themselves first as Jews and 2nd as Americans.
Interesting thing about Christian arguments, they always seem to state that other folks who call themselves Christian aren't REALLY Christian because "they" don't REALLY follow the teachings of Jesus. Makes it about impossible to pin down a Christian or pin down any blame on this community of Religious Zealots.
Since the Reformation, Christianity broke up into a variety of sects, each one figuring they got the interpretation of the Bible right, or at least finding some way to use it to justify their spin on the world. Regardless of the fact there are many sects however, one can say with quite a degree of certitude that the Fundy Christians have exercised their power over the Right Wing Republican administrations from the Reagan Era right thru to the Bush Era. Without the support of this faction of American Politics, you could not possibly have got a George Bush elected to the White House.
Muslims of course are broken up as well into their own sects, each one blames the other and they both blame the Christians for all the World problems, as all the Christian sects band together to blame the Muslims. Fabulous Blame Game, but of course there is more than enough blame to go around here.
I find it quite annoying when particular groups like "Zionists" are picked out and fingered for Blame. Its quite popular to finger Muslims for blame as well, I don't like that either. Religion of all kinds is just Opiate for the masses, the REAL battle is not between Religions but between those IN POWER in CONTROL of the WEALTH of the world and those who are Powerless and Disenfranchised. The more powerless they are, the more likely they have their heads muddled up by Religious Zealotry, and the more likely they are to play the Blame Game and drop the blame on the Other. Those in Power use religion to whip the masses up into a frenzy, however its just a cover for a resource war. I would agree with a decent amount of what you write if you would drop Zionism as disproportionately responsible for world problems, any more than Illegal Aliens are responsible for USA economic problems. The typical Mexican is just trying to find a way to feed his family, the economy drives him northward, and that is the result of poor policy making on the part of those in Power in both Mexico and the US.
I'm not going to go look for the quote regarding the Metrodude, I can't even remeber which thread it was in. It just was full of Macho Posturing, and that is where the Jar Head tag came from. In this thread, there is significantly less bluster, some things you write I actually agree with. One I do not agree with is that our current society should be held up as a model of Equity where everyone has the opportunity to Bootstrap up; while you can always pick out a Shining Star who made her/his way through the morass of socety to live out the American Dream, on a statistical level there is no more mobility in American society than there was in the days of the French Monarchy. Sure, the occassional Peasant Girl ended up as a succesful Courtesan, but MOST of them flat backed their way into being disease ridden street prostitutes. So Obama flat backed his way to the top of the heap? What of it? He is now just another one bought into maintaining the power structure as it stands.
Reverse Engineer
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Remember the fallen
Quote:
I would agree with a decent amount of what you write if you would drop Zionism as disproportionately responsible for world problems, any more than Illegal Aliens are responsible for USA economic problems. The typical Mexican is just trying to find a way to feed his family, the economy drives him northward, and that is the result of poor policy making on the part of those in Power in both Mexico and the US.
Agreed on Mexicans. I have known several - decent people, hard working, just trying to get by like everybody else.
I haven't been making the argument that "Zionists are disproportionately responsible for world problems" - not per se, anyway. I do make the argument that Zionism is racism in it's purest form, Israel is a racist cesspool of a country, and Zionists are war mongers whose goal is to get everybody afraid of "terrorists" because, if that happens, then they get custom made allies in their fight.
Add to that that of the top 1,000 or so power brokers in the world about 25-50% are Zionists (I include Ben Bernanke, Joe Liberman, Charles Shumer, Wolfowitz,and so on), and it's obvious that Zionists have a disproportionate influence as to where this world is going.
I'd say the world is going in a mortally defective direction. So, transitively, Zionists will take their share of the credit or the blame.
I personally will remember the Zionists who I know who have been beating incessantly on the "attack Iran" drum for the last few years. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Remember the fallen
vampyregirl wrote:
We are America's main supplier of potash, peat, uranium and other raw materials as well as oil and natural gas. And yeah we could say Fark you America and sell to China and other nations, something you will be seeing more of in the future.
Under no circumstances will you be allowed to sell your resources to China at the Expense of the Empire. Try it. See what happens.
It's not pretty, no American should be proud of it, it's not what this country was founded on, but . . .
It's where it's at.
The ink on the contract with China wouldn't be dry, if you got as far as the signing stage, before it would be in the works to have it voided, either legally or behind the scenes or through military agression.
If you started dealing with Communists, well, clearly, you'd be in need of some Democracy. And the Empire would be happy to give it to you. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Remember the fallen
Cashmere wrote:
Add to that that of the top 1,000 or so power brokers in the world about 25-50% are Zionists (I include Ben Bernanke, Joe Liberman, Charles Shumer, Wolfowitz,and so on), and it's obvious that Zionists have a disproportionate influence as to where this world is going.
Feel free to remember the Zionists who you Blame for the state of the world today.
I'll counter it with William Jennings Bryant anit-Evolution), Carrie Nation and Frances Willard (Women's Christian Temperance Movement), Billy Graham (Nixon Administration), Jerry Falwell and the "Moral Majority" and of course our current President George Bush. Isn't it curious how a Fundy Christian like George is in Bed with a "Zionist" like Ben Bernanke?
In a generally Christian audience like this board, you will do well blaming Zionists and blaming Muslims, it is however a distraction to the underlying problems of Power, Control and Wealth.
Whatever their particular spin is on Religion, its the nature of those in Power to try to retain that power. They use their Religions as justifications for their actions, and in a society which was founded by Christian Refugees in the days of the Barkers and the Reformation of the 17th and 18th centuries, Christian Propaganda plays well in the United States, as Muslim Propaganda plays well in Saudi Arabia. If you can sell a political idea as being consistent with the Teaching of Jesus in the US, you coopt about 90% of the population who believes He was God's Son.
So have the Fundy Christians done this well right from the inception of the US as a country, and all they really did was employ your "Zionists" to be their Bankers. The underlying rape of our country and its resources and its potential IMHO lies at the feet of the Christians, not the Zionists, who really are just their Lackeys.
Reverse Engineer
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Remember the fallen
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Remember the fallen
Just exactly who fell? Why are dead soldiers called the fallen?
Why not the shot, the mortared, the blown-up, the crippled, the brain-dead, the aerosoled, the rotten? _________________ "By the time individuals discover that remaining resources will not be adequate for the next generation, the next generation has already been born. " David Price
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Remember the fallen
I remembered the Jar Head Thread after all. Its the "I think I'm Losing It" thread. Here are a few of Cash's choice opinions on "Manliness"
Cashmere wrote:
. Grow some F---ing balls. Your 30 years of being a dyed in the wool Clinton liberal are over. You're either going to be a man who can protect his family or you're not.
I'd love to see this guy when his city is overrun and he needs to go out and get some meds. So there he is walking down the street with his quiver and bow. I can see it now, "Yo, check out dis dude niggas, he gots a Bow!" I'm sure that'll keep the zombies away.
More Macho Posturing
Cashmere wrote:
Look, everybody, and Big Tex in particular, there's a difference between "making fun of" and "slapping somebody in self-pity whining mode." What the OP needs at this late juncture is a good hard slap in the face and a directive to man-up and stop feeling sorry for himself.
The feel-good hand-holding, "well, he's got to start somewhere" crap is well-intentioned and all that, but, I believe, a disservice to the man. It's much like parents who go easy on their kids and end up producing unproductive, self-centered losers.
I'm not "making fun of" the OP, I'm simply telling him that his obvious wishy-washiness is a major flaw, and that he's got to either decide to leave silly garbage like "we don't like guns" behind or he's going to end up fish food.
Can anybody here imagine a group of men sitting around 150 years ago talking about impending danger and one guy sits up and says, "you know, I prefer a bow. Guns are loud and dangerous and I'd support a candidate who would restrict gun use because people use guns to commit crimes like murder."
I mean, seriously, has the pussification of the American male been so completely successful that, now, on the eve of f-cking Armageddon, there are some who would prefer a bow for self defense because, "we don't like guns"?
To that I say 2 things . . . Wow. and Wow.
One can only ask, What would Jesus do?
Cashmere wrote:
Dumars wrote:
Just telling someone to "man up" is not helpful.
This is a matter of opinion, despite your implication. I disagree.
In this wussified, pussified world where the Average American male is more likely to know the ingredients in a Appletini or have a copy of GQ laying around the house than to know the approximate weight of oil in his car or be able to bench press the bar, just getting in a guy's face and screaming often does a world of good.
EG. I was over my in-laws the other day. Really good people - really smart father, hard working people, one of them starting to get it but still in denial/bargaining mode - but they are rather soft on their kids.
So the son, who's a great kid with a lot of potential and who would benefit tremendously from a strong, no bull-s--t male voice, is in the kitchen and asks, "mom, can you make me a sandwich?"
From the couch I bark out, "why don't you make it yourself - you're how old? 10? Your hands work, right? You can play that video game for 4 hours straight, so you can probably work the jar lid and the spoon. Make it yourself and stop bothering your mother." And so he makes it.
The point is, we disagree. Most men act like boys. I find that a few seconds of in your face manhood tends to scare a little testosterone out of their nuts for distribution to the brain.
But we can disagree. Here, let me try your, kinder, gentler way.
Quote:
Gee OP, your bow idea sounds swell, and while it's reasonable to have a fear or dislike of firearms, you may want to reconsider, because, while differences can be respected, a bow has . .
f- it. I can't do it. Who the hell has time for that?
OP, it's simple. Your old life is over. Start a new one. Get your hands dirty. Sharpen your teeth. Swear really loudly for no reason, and particularly if your woman dislikes it. Fix your own toilet. Get mad.
Did you hear me boy? You want your Mommy? Your mommy is the one who shoved this whole mess right up your ass.
You want your Mommy? Get a Glock. It won't continue to breast feed you, but it'll never lie to you about things being ok. In fact, it lives for the proposition that things will, eventually, not be ok anymore.
And finally, the famed Metrosexual Quote
Cashmere wrote:
sameu wrote:
Cashmere wrote:
sameu wrote:
lol yeah cashmere you're tha man!
A guy criticizing my manliness who is wearing lipstick in his avatar. Ok.
lol what are you so insecure about?
Yes, I've heard that before too.Recall vividly during my later education being in a pack of metrosexual intellectuals. All decent guys. All pussies. There's me, off to the side, wearing a wife beater and ripped. And one of them - all 140 pounds of him - says something to the effect of "guys only lift weights because they are insecure."
And I walk over and stand next to him. And there I am, towering over him, ripped, probably the most self-confident guy he has ever met - smarter than him by a lot. More charismatic. More humorous.
And everybody in the crowd understood exactly how feeble he and his statement were, and it was perfect. I just smiled at him.
Yes little man with big mouth, you have caught me. You have found me out. So Sameue, yes, you caught me.
Your astute French sense of manliness has found me out. You have looked up from your Bree cheese just in time to see me crying in the corner, Teddy Bear in arms, picture of My Mommy dotted with tears. I'm in fact just an insecure man who hides behind bravado to cover his insecurities.
I'm sorry Cash, the Testosterone is just OVERFLOWING here. Get a GRIP. I have a hard time reconciling this entire series of posts with the Teachings of Jesus Christ
Reverse Engineer
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Remember the fallen
ReverseEngineer wrote:
I remembered the Jar Head Thread after all. Its the "I think I'm Losing It" thread. Here are a few of Cash's choice opinions on "Manliness" Test deleted. Excessive re-re-posting-FLI'm sorry Cash, the Testosterone is just OVERFLOWING here. Get a GRIP. I have a hard time reconciling this entire series of posts with the Teachings of Jesus Christ Reverse Engineer
That is some good stuff right there. I know it's good when I laugh when I'm reading it, and it's my own stuff.
I stand by all of it. Jesus wasn't a pussy. Being non-violent and being a pussy are not the same thing, by a long shot.
Jesus stuck it to the Pharisees, flipped over the money changer tables in the temple, and never backed down.
Sounds like my kind of man. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Remember the fallen
Cashmere wrote:
Don't confuse Jews with Zionists. Noahm Chompsky is a great man, a great intellectual, and a Jew, but he is not a Zionist.
Noam Chomsky is definetly a very articulate intelligent man. What concerns me is that 1) to my knowledge he hasn't entertained the thought of 911 being anything besides the official version and 2) he is supporting the idea of a one world government. Putting those two things together gives me cold chills down the spine.
If I may sit in the conspiracy seat for a while; if you are selling the concept of a one world government, you will do it through multiple fronts. It will be scare tactics that will make the alternative look really bad and it will be sweetners to accept the proposed solution. Terrorism and geopolitics speak to some, economy to some, intellectual sense and reasoning to some. And yet they are pointing in the same direction. So if you go in line with Chomsky's thinking you accepts a one world governement for better or worse.
The alternative, stepping away from the conspiracy seat again, is that in Chomsky's heart he truly believes a one world goverment would be the best solution for all people. But that is then the ideal model of such. Question is, can it be implemented as such or would the process be hijacked by powers who put their own interests before the majority of people.
Given that that I have seen what the bankers are capable of doing so far, I would hesitate to support such a move even if it is promoted by such a loveable articulate character like Noam Chomsky. _________________ It's not a bailout, it's a buy-in" - Nancy Pelosi
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Remember the fallen
Cashmere wrote:
That is some good stuff right there. I know it's good when I laugh when I'm reading it, and it's my own stuff.
I stand by all of it. Jesus wasn't a pussy. Being non-violent and being a pussy are not the same thing, by a long shot. Jesus stuck it to the Pharisees, flipped over the money changer tables in the temple, and never backed down. Sounds like my kind of man.
Standing by it isn't the issue, its defending the value of the perspective.
Got no idea really if Jesus was a Pussy or if he spent hours in the gym Pumping Rocks to get Ripped. Least as far as I know about Christianity though, you are supposed to Turn the Other Cheek towards violence, not puff yourself up and threaten physically with your Buff Presence a Metrodude who questions your masculinity because you feel it necessary to be so pumped up to defend your ideas.
You have an erratic sense of morality, it does not hold water as I read it. Its highly personal, and its highly dependent on your own perception of male physical power as being fundamentally important. Its certainly not Christian as I have perceived what Christians believe, athough that is so nebulous its impossible ever to put a finger on it.
In any event, I have had plenty of dealings with Jar Heads, and never so much as got my hair mussed in taking them out. I weigh a bit more than 140 these days, but not a whole lot more and in my college years thats all I weighed. Big Guys who use intimidation tactics are quite pathetic, and I think this is what the Metrodude was telling you, just you didn't want to hear it. You still don't and it colors your world view, its why you blame the Zionists.
Feel free to slug it out with me here Big Man, long as the mods let it go on anyhow. I'm not too big, I'm not real young anymore, but I am still mighty fast with the keyboard (just having fun with you Cash, I hope you get this)
Reverse Engineer
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:28 am Post subject: Re: Remember the fallen
Vampyregirl, I really can understand that you believe the official story, the real one is so dirty and ugly. Look in your local library, as far as I remember there is "dark Ages America", books from Mike Ruppert, there is a good film 9/11 from Michael Moore, I don't remember what's els I forgot.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: Re: Remember the fallen
Plantagenet wrote:
Canada is part of an organization called NATO. There is a mutual defense provision in the NATO treaty that calls on NATO members to act together in defense of another NATO country after it is attacked.
Afghanistan didn't attack NATO or anyone in it. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Remember the fallen
Cashmere wrote:
Under no circumstances will you be allowed to sell your resources to China at the Expense of the Empire. Try it. See what happens.
They invest in Alberta oil, present and future, it's delivered to them, and we make money. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but this already going on. It has been for years. They're heavily staked in the oil sands, from what I've heard.
Cashmere wrote:
If you started dealing with Communists, well, clearly, you'd be in need of some Democracy. And the Empire would be happy to give it to you.
I'll have to remember to take that up with Raoul and Fidel on my next vacation in Havana. Care to join me? _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Remember the fallen
Cashmere wrote:
Jesus stuck it to the Pharisees, flipped over the money changer tables in the temple, and never backed down. Sounds like my kind of man.
Oooo, does that mean we get to slap your turned other cheek seventy times seven? Let me get my gloves... don't want to get blisters. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:03 am Post subject: Re: Remember the fallen
ReverseEngineer wrote:
Got no idea really if Jesus was a Pussy or if he spent hours in the gym Pumping Rocks to get Ripped. Least as far as I know about Christianity though, you are supposed to Turn the Other Cheek towards violence, not puff yourself up and threaten physically with your Buff Presence a Metrodude who questions your masculinity because you feel it necessary to be so pumped up to defend your ideas.
Yeah, he's right, Caz. You'd be a lot more persuasive in debates if you took some saltpeter or laid off the Viagra milkshakes. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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I can see it now, "Yo, check out dis dude niggas, he gots a Bow!" I'm sure that'll keep the zombies away.
