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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Russian warships enter Abkhazia's territorial waters

A Russian naval task force entered the territorial waters of Abkhazia on Wednesday.

The warships' are supporting peace and stability in Abkhazia and its territorial waters, commander of the Novorossiisk naval base Vice-Admiral Sergei Menyailo told reporters.

"We control the territorial waters of Abkhazia and adjacent water areas. The vessels' task is to prevent transportation of arms. We're also performing a humanitarian mission. The task force includes landing ships, missile boasts and the missile cruiser Moskva, Menyailo said. link
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yushchencko attempts to expel Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol

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The Ukrainian government on Wednesday passed the decree regulating the crossing of the Ukrainian border by servicemen, naval ships and planes of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet based in Crimea, Ukrainian Defence Minister Yuri Yekhanurov stated.

He said the decree ensures the enaction of the decree of President Viktor Yushchenko by all services - border, customs and the military agency.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:31 am    Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Russia says number of NATO ships in Black Sea increasing

A Russian naval official reported an increase in NATO warships near the Georgian coast on Wednesday.

"According to our information, NATO ships are in the Black Sea and their numbers are increasing," said Vice Adm. Sergei Menyailo, commander of the Novorossiisk naval base.

A U.S. Embassy spokesman said on Wednesday that a warship that was due to deliver aid to the Georgian port of Poti, where Russian troops have been carrying out patrols, would dock at Batumi. He did not explain the reason for the decision.

Menyailo said that the Moskva missile cruiser, the flagship of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, was approaching the port of Sukhumi, Abkhazia's capital.

"We are controlling territorial waters and the adjacent area, ensuring shipping safety, and preventing the smuggling of arms and military vehicles," the official said. link
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Russian analyst points to link between Georgian attack and Iran

A senior Russian military analyst said on Wednesday that the U.S. and NATO by arming Tbilisi used the conflict in Georgia as a dress rehearsal for a future military operation in Iran.

Col. Gen Leonid Ivashov, president of the Academy of Geopolitical Studies, told a news conference at RIA Novosti, "We are close to a serious conflict - U.S. and NATO preparations on a strategic scale are ongoing. In the operation the West conducted on Georgian soil against Russia - South Ossetians were the victims or hostages of it - we can see a rehearsal for an attack on Iran. There is a great deal of "new features" that today are being fine tuned in the theater of military operations."

He said the likelihood of a war against Iran was growing with each passing day, "As a result, the situation in the region will become destabilized," and added "causing chaos and instability" was becoming Washington's official policy line.

Ivashov said it was difficult to predict how other countries would react to a conflict with Iran, but according to him, "old Europe" would be reluctant for events to develop and to some degree would become Russia's allies.

With regard to the Georgia-South Ossetian conflict, he said that one of the principal goals of NATO's "geopolitical operation" was to neutralize Russia as a global player. link
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Russian U.N. Draft Condemns U.S.-Led Air Strikes

In a clear indication of the combative mood in the Security Council -- the heightened tensions between Russia and the U.S. and secondarily with France and the U.K. -- Moscow introduced a draft press statement Tuesday for the Security Council to "deplore" the August 22 bombing of civilians in Afghanistan by the U.S.-led air strikes.

The United Nations said Tuesday that convincing evidence exists that U.S-led coalition air-strikes killed more than 90 innocent civilians, mostly women and children, in Afghanistan's west last week -- one of the most gruesome killings of civilians since the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

The Russian draft "expresses serious concern over the extremely high civilian casualties reportedly caused by the U.S.-led air strikes" and saying member-nations "strongly deplore the fact that this is not the first incident of this kind."

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:00 am    Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

NATO’s navy delivers weapons to Georgia under the guise of humanitarian aid link

If so, if it is anything short of nukes isn't it just wishful thinking upon NATO's part? And what message does this say to Russia about the trustworthiness of US / NATO?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:39 am    Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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NATO’s navy delivers weapons to Georgia under the guise of humanitarian aid [url=http://english.pravda.ru/world/ussr/27-08-2008/106216-nato_georgia-0]link[/ul] If so, if it is anything short of nukes isn't it just wishful thinking upon NATO's part? And what message does this say to Russia about the trustworthiness of US / NATO?

www.pravda.ru is an extremely reliable source!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

MOCKBA wrote:
allenwrench wrote:
NATO’s navy delivers weapons to Georgia under the guise of humanitarian aid link If so, if it is anything short of nukes isn't it just wishful thinking upon NATO's part? And what message does this say to Russia about the trustworthiness of US / NATO?
www.pravda.ru is an extremely reliable source!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The story is factual and also reported in Ria Novosti.

http://www.peakoil.com/post754275.html#754275

and Reuters.

http://www.peakoil.com/post754227.html#754227

Russia is concerned about a possibility to deliver military hardware to Georgia on board NATO warships, which would only escalate the tension in the Caucasus.

“The absence of control over the cargoes, which NATO warships deliver to Georgia cannot but raise concerns with us. When there’s no control, there’s no guarantee that various weapons, for example man-portable missile systems, have not been or will not be delivered to Georgia. It can also be reconnaissance equipment including unmanned aerial vehicles,” the source said.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Russia warns NATO to back off or face war

Russia on Wednesday warned NATO against building up naval forces in the Black Sea as President Dmitry Medvedev confronted Western outrage over his recognition of two Georgian rebel regions as independent states.

Russian General Anatoly Nogovitsyn said Russian naval forces would monitor the NATO naval "buildup" and pointed to a 1936 convention limiting shipping levels in the Black Sea.

"Can NATO... indefinitely build up its forces and means there? It turns out it cannot," Nogovitsyn said.

Russia's ambassador to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, warned that any attack by the alliance on the Moscow-backed regions would "mean a declaration of war on Russia," in an interview with Russian newspaper Vremya Novostei .

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Russia's ambassador to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, warned that any attack by the alliance on the Moscow-backed regions would "mean a declaration of war on Russia," in an interview with Russian newspaper Vremya Novostei .

So do you really believe that NATO (means US) will go to war with Russia over Abkhazia and Ossetia?
I doubt that very much. Why to risk a suicide for some irrelevant territories very far away?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

EnergyUnlimited wrote:
So do you really believe that NATO (means US) will go to war with Russia over Abkhazia and Ossetia?
I doubt that very much. Why to risk a suicide for some irrelevant territories very far away?

I believe the US objective from early on has been to pit West Europe against Russia. So I think some false flag attack on the German ship will be appropriate, even if US also has to lose one ship or two.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

That is a very real and scary scenario. What is at stake is access to Caspian oil and gas and it ain´t small fries... in anybody´s book.

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EnergyUnlimited wrote:
So do you really believe that NATO (means US) will go to war with Russia over Abkhazia and Ossetia?
I doubt that very much. Why to risk a suicide for some irrelevant territories very far away?

I believe the US objective from early on has been to pit West Europe against Russia. So I think some false flag attack on the German ship will be appropriate, even if US also has to lose one ship or two.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Der Spiegel article

Wow, a factual western report.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Unmanned Georgian spy plane shot down in South Ossetia

An unmanned Georgian reconnaissance plane was shot down in South Ossetia on Thursday, acting South Ossetian Interior Minister Mikhail Mindzayev told reporters at a news conference.

"The plane was downed by small arms fire. Tskinval residents and reporters saw the plane flying over the city on Wednesday afternoon. It also flew over Tskhinval overnight to Thursday," Mindzayev said.

A group of South Ossetian investigators is examining plane fragments at the crash scene.

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