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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:42 pm    Post subject: Inflation or Deflation--Best article yet! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Charles Hughes Smith:

"My problem with setting money supply as the defining measure of inflation and deflation is practical. This pronouncement leads to an obsession with measuring money supply rather than with the relative loss or gain of purchasing power"

and:

"In a truly deflationary setting, then my cash buys more next year than it does now. This was the case in the Great Depression. You could buy more food, more shelter, etc. etc. every year. Now that's deflation.

Pardon my skepticism when "deflation" is announced due to shrinking money supply yet prices are rising, i.e. purchasing power is declining, not rising. This makes a mockery of the concepts "deflation" and "inflation" which are a priori measures of price.

Rather than argue about measuring money supply, which I find particularly useless and distracting, let's revert to discussing supply and demand."

http://www.oftwominds.com/blogjan08/purchasing-power.html
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation or Deflation--Best article yet! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Nice, thanks for that. I agree, in the current situation he is correct however in a movement to the extremes I'm afraid he is wrong.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: Inflation or Deflation--Best article yet! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

From same article:

If a haircut drops in price but your petroleum bill doubles, are you living in an inflationary or deflationary economy? Who cares? The reality is, you spend $500 a month on petroleum (say) and $25 on a haircut (okay, it's a Supercut), then are you wowed by the "deflationary" reduction in your expenses?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation or Deflation--Best article yet! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

and more from the same article:

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In conclusion: if you live a certain lifestyle, and make certain investments with your savings, then your purchasing power may decline with alarming velocity or remain essentially unchanged, or even increase, regardless of money supply increasing or decreasing.

well no crap captian obvious! Laughing

i mean, seriously, that holds true for damn near any economic condition at any time. so, in a way, it's a worthless conclusion.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation or Deflation--Best article yet! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

nobodypanic wrote:
and more from the same article:

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In conclusion: if you live a certain lifestyle, and make certain investments with your savings, then your purchasing power may decline with alarming velocity or remain essentially unchanged, or even increase, regardless of money supply increasing or decreasing.

well no crap captian obvious! Laughing

i mean, seriously, that holds true for damn near any economic condition at any time. so, in a way, it's a worthless conclusion.


Actually not. It didn't hold true for the deflation of the Great Depression, where prices dropped across the board, for starters.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation or Deflation--Best article yet! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If half the world population dies-off would that count as inflation or deflation. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Re: Inflation or Deflation--Best article yet! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

threadbear wrote:
nobodypanic wrote:
and more from the same article:

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In conclusion: if you live a certain lifestyle, and make certain investments with your savings, then your purchasing power may decline with alarming velocity or remain essentially unchanged, or even increase, regardless of money supply increasing or decreasing.

well no crap captian obvious! Laughing

i mean, seriously, that holds true for damn near any economic condition at any time. so, in a way, it's a worthless conclusion.


Actually not. It didn't hold true for the deflation of the Great Depression, where prices dropped across the board, for starters.

reread the conclusion. there's absolutely no way it can be wrong for any cricumstance--it's worded that openly.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:18 am    Post subject: Re: Inflation or Deflation--Best article yet! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

nobodypanic wrote:

reread the conclusion. there's absolutely no way it can be wrong for any cricumstance--it's worded that openly.

Yeah he says 'if you're living a certain life and if you do certain things your purchasing power may go down, stay the same, or go up'.

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