European population declining fast - very good

lorenzo · Fission Joined: Jan 01, 2005 Posts: 2231

New data are out on Europe's rapid population decline.

A core country like Germany, will see a decline of its population level by up to 15% by 2060. Poland may lose up to to 20%.

The EU's statistical office Eurostat predicts the EU population to peak at 521m in 2035 but then decline.

The report predicts the average age of the EU population will rise, due to "persistently low fertility and an increasing number of survivors to higher ages".

Ageing characterises the demographic perspectives of the European societies - Issue number 72/2008

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Figures in Japan are even more dramatic.

But this also means we now have a development model to follow.

The key to lowering the world's population is to bring more prosperity, along the lines of strong socio-economic systems based on excellent health care, education, social services and public infrastructures.

We must speed up the transition to modernity and post-modernity in nations that are still burdened by high fertility rates.

World population is expected to stabilize by 2075 and to decline from 2100 onwards. But if we follow the European or Japanese development model, and push it everywhere as much as we can, then we can pull this date towards us by a few decades.

Let's do it. We have the model.
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TonisD

I call BS. The immigration is such a force, that all these numbers are pointless as they don't take into account all those millions pouring in for the welfare check.

lorenzo · Fission Joined: Jan 01, 2005 Posts: 2231

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KingM

Importing millions of Africans with high fertility, patriarchal societies, and poor education is going to take care of those millions of retired Germans how?

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Cynus · Intermediate Crude Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 610

I'm confused. You say that reducing the population is good, but then say you need to import people to keep population up. This seems contradictory. Are you in favor of reducing population or keeping it up? Plus, where will the newly modernized countries get their immigrants to take care of their newly wealthy and thus decreasing populations? Or are only European countries allowed to import immigrants to take care of them?
Plus, once all those immigrants get old, you're going to need yet more immigrants to take care of the original ones, ad infinitum.
Also, I wonder about your claim that these cultures will never be a majority. You show me a country with distinct cultures, one of which feels condemned to eternal minority status, and I'll show you a country wracked by ethnic violence.
Finally, I don't realy see how taking people from one culture and moving them to another "enriches" that culture. European culture seems to have been getting along just fine for all these centuries without the need for enrichment.
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lorenzo the point that you seem to be missing is that the drop in EU zone population is reactionary, not anticipatory, which means that it cant support its current population levels at THIS level of per-capita energy usage, and its only getting worse from here forward which means their population levels will have to FALL MUCH MORE; severe economic depression + country full of foreigners usually = genocide or something along those lines

Bas

Europe is most definately an important if not vital "experiment" in how to deal with population decline, as is Japan and even more important will be China in the near future. Leeching immigrant populations are most definately an uncertain factor which would make Japan a test case as it has very few foreign immigrants. In Europe however this will and has been proven a "problem" which will have to be taken care off one way or another and which has currently been dealt with by restricting immigration standards more to the American level.
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TreebeardsUncle · Intermediate Crude Joined: Jun 15, 2006 Posts: 602

Russia's population will as well and already has. And to heck with their economies. Just want there to be fewer people out there crapping up the world.
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cube · Fusion Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 3822

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On Populations
The UK is in Massive overshoot! And same with other places like The Netherlands and Germany...All can support about 50% of the present population with a low oil diet...The British Isles for example lie at the end of the oil pipelines coming from Russia and other points east and south. This means that British petrol prices will be an order of magnitude higher than any other European prices, The Political elite, of course, will maintain their stranglehold on British politics and prevent the emergence of any self-preservational movements until native Brits there have starved to death.
There are many people who do not understand that the small amount of farmland left on the postage-stamp-sized territory of the Britian cannot possibly feed its roughly 61 million inhabitants, and such ignorami include many of the Brits themselves. This self-imposed ignorance is actually a good thing, because it means that they will take little or no action to avert utter disaster until it is far too late
February 2008 British Petroleum graph of UK North Sea fossil fuel production for the period 2008-2030. The legend itself was posted on the oil drum awhile back, but it doesn't matter.Extraction on the UK Continental Shelf contributes very little to the whole. According to BP's optimistic assumptions, as much as 70% of conventional oil might be recovered from the biggest fields, which means that if they can't get that 70%, depletion will be even faster. In either case, lacking the vast revenues from that oil, together with the need to start importing increasingly expensive oil from abroad, the UK economy will have little time to live; and the British and other Western European nations. With the importing Third Worlders, are at last going to pay for their funа- with destitution.
I suggest you people read "The Camp of the Saints' more less its about how boat people will be flooding into the West "Germany -France-etc" its already been happening now since the 70s.
I dont understand how a new immigrants who collect welfare "in Sweden all the new arrivals are on welfare provided by Swedish taxes' and most don't get off ...Why should they they get housing free, money, and even 1st class citizen ship rights..don't believe me? Go call a black boat African a racist name and he'll end up suing and taking your for all you worked for...
So how are these people helping old retired people I dont understand..they actually cause more drain on the systems.
I expect the cliff of peak oil to be 2012-2016 time....I expect millions of Africans, Asians, Muslims, Sub Saharan's , to flood into the west ever more...and with the liberal brainwashing for the past 70 years most Western nations will just roll over and die and accept these people..."While the natives starve to death.
By 2016-2020 it will be a zero sum game in Europe of who lives and of who dies. Western Europe is going to explode into ethnic- race crashes!

doodlebug2 · Tar Sands Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 52

Gosh General Green, I was saving money to take another trip to Europe in the future. Curious , is it that bad????????????