Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: RUSSIA PREPARES TO CUT OIL TO WEST WITHIN DAYS. !!!!!
What I mean by Putin wanting Russia to be the number one super power is by means of military strength and pushing his comunism beliefs on to other countrys.
Also he seems to aligning with other oil rich nations as well and this gives him more power.
China will rule the world by producing cheap items and taking half of the worlds jobs and Russia will rule the world with there military and oil...
America will either be up in smoke from a Russian/Islamic sneak nuke attack or in a deep depresion brought on by our current goverment and not getting off of forign oil...
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: Re: RUSSIA PREPARES TO CUT OIL TO WEST WITHIN DAYS. !!!!!
timmac wrote:
What I mean by Putin wanting Russia to be the number one super power is by means of military strength and pushing his comunism beliefs on to other countrys. Also he seems to aligning with other oil rich nations as well and this gives him more power.
China will rule the world by producing cheap items and taking half of the worlds jobs and Russia will rule the world with there military and oil... America will either be up in smoke from a Russian/Islamic sneak nuke attack or in a deep depresion brought on by our current goverment and not getting off of forign oil...
For long time I did not read such a BS.
1. Putin's Russia has nothing to do with communism. It is rather XIX century styled empire.
2. Cheap Chinese items will be of no use in a world with collapsing economy. Peoples who are struggling to pay for food, bills and basic daily needs will have no money to pay for Chinese plastic crap. Globalization is already collapsing.
3. America, if attacked with nukes will certainly retaliate and talks about stealth nuclear attacks on America are complete crap.
However West is general have far more to lose in nuclear exchange than Russia does. That is because there is not much infrastructure there (in Russia).
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: Re: RUSSIA PREPARES TO CUT OIL TO WEST WITHIN DAYS. !!!!!
EnergyUnlimited wrote:
That is because there is not much infrastructure there (in Russia).
Nuke the cities this side of the Urals and Chinese will make you their emperor. Even without PO, Russia is already finished. By 2030, Chinese would own everything on that side of the Urals and by 2100, Russia would be gone, replaced with Chinese and some last real ethnic Russians, who have not got HIV, have not been brutally exploited in the glorious Russian army where a couple of thousand young men die every year instead of having good, healthy and smart kids and have not been doing drugs every day since they were 10.
More people simply drink themselves to death with vodka over there than you can imagine. Outside the couple of big cities, they still live like its 1900 and that will never change.
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:19 am Post subject: Re: RUSSIA PREPARES TO CUT OIL TO WEST WITHIN DAYS. !!!!!
TonisD wrote:
EnergyUnlimited wrote:
That is because there is not much infrastructure there (in Russia).
Nuke the cities this side of the Urals and Chinese will make you their emperor. Even without PO, Russia is already finished. By 2030, Chinese would own everything on that side of the Urals and by 2100, Russia would be gone, replaced with Chinese and some last real ethnic Russians, who have not got HIV, have not been brutally exploited in the glorious Russian army where a couple of thousand young men die every year instead of having good, healthy and smart kids and have not been doing drugs every day since they were 10.
More people simply drink themselves to death with vodka over there than you can imagine. Outside the couple of big cities, they still live like its 1900 and that will never change.
So why not to nuke Chinese, if need arise?
1 or 2 thousands of warheads could easily reduce Chinese population by 90% (they are concentrated on South East coast of China in structure reminding one huge megacity few hundreds of miles across.
One of biggest of advantages of Russia is that it is a huge territory with not many obvious targets to nuke and yet armed well enough to annihilate remaining world.
Even if US sent all their nukes there, Russian life in countryside would not drastically change (I do not believe in nuclear winters etc.).
They are already living in environment resembling a Stone Age, so nuking them to actual Stone Age would leave a little impression on countryside population there.
They would drink more vodka (nearly all is home made...) and live at average 25 instead of current 50, but so what? Life would still go on.
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: RUSSIA PREPARES TO CUT OIL TO WEST WITHIN DAYS. !!!!!
Hmmm... Nothing will happen, Telegraph is just printing some more anti-Russian propaganda, nothing new, but it can...
...scare people. That's the point.
Russians are not going to put embargo on their major source of euros and dollars. It's economically stupid, and politically outrageous.
And all this crap that Russia is going to disappear in 100 years - oh, what are you smoking man, give me some. There no chance for another Yeltsin. _________________ The poor complain; they always do,
But that's just idle chatter.
Our system brings rewards to all,
At least to all who matter.
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: RUSSIA PREPARES TO CUT OIL TO WEST WITHIN DAYS. !!!!!
timmac wrote:
What I mean by Putin wanting Russia to be the number one super power is by means of military strength and pushing his comunism beliefs on to other countrys.
The people who are doing the best to spread Communist beliefs are the Anglo American empire. By the time they are through trashing the entire globe, Communism might look pretty good, by comparison. Therein lies the huge threat.
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: RUSSIA PREPARES TO CUT OIL TO WEST WITHIN DAYS. !!!!!
Alcassin wrote:
Hmmm... Nothing will happen, Telegraph is just printing some more anti-Russian propaganda, nothing new, but it can......scare people. That's the point.
Russians are not going to put embargo on their major source of euros and dollars. It's economically stupid, and politically outrageous.
And all this crap that Russia is going to disappear in 100 years - oh, what are you smoking man, give me some. There no chance for another Yeltsin.
It's amazing how US and British media co-ordinate propaganda.
Personally, I think the British press is a little less propagandized than the US press but they are identical on certain specific topics -- the demonization of Russia is one of them. _________________ "May you live in interesting times"
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: RUSSIA PREPARES TO CUT OIL TO WEST WITHIN DAYS. !!!!!
Carlhole wrote:
Alcassin wrote:
Hmmm... Nothing will happen, Telegraph is just printing some more anti-Russian propaganda, nothing new, but it can...scare people. That's the point.
Russians are not going to put embargo on their major source of euros and dollars. It's economically stupid, and politically outrageous.
And all this crap that Russia is going to disappear in 100 years - oh, what are you smoking man, give me some. There no chance for another Yeltsin.
It's amazing how US and British media co-ordinate propaganda. Personally, I think the British press is a little less propagandized than the US press but they are identical on certain specific topics -- the demonization of Russia is one of them.
Do some research into the David Kelly affair to understand how the decimation of BBC and it's value as an objective reporter and interpreter of world events has gone hand in hand with the run up to war and the subversion of mainstream media to the Anglo American corporate govt agenda. Truly sickening. Propaganda--We're soaking in it.
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: RUSSIA PREPARES TO CUT OIL TO WEST WITHIN DAYS. !!!!!
Carlhole wrote:
Alcassin wrote:
Hmmm... Nothing will happen, Telegraph is just printing some more anti-Russian propaganda, nothing new, but it can..scare people. That's the point.
Russians are not going to put embargo on their major source of euros and dollars. It's economically stupid, and politically outrageous.
And all this crap that Russia is going to disappear in 100 years - oh, what are you smoking man, give me some. There no chance for another Yeltsin.
It's amazing how US and British media co-ordinate propaganda. Personally, I think the British press is a little less propagandized than the US press but they are identical on certain specific topics -- the demonization of Russia is one of them.
If you could read what Polish MSM are writing you would see even broader spectrum Carlhole. It's not only Anglo-American. _________________ The poor complain; they always do,
But that's just idle chatter.
Our system brings rewards to all,
At least to all who matter.
Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:32 am Post subject: Re: RUSSIA PREPARES TO CUT OIL TO WEST WITHIN DAYS. !!!!!
from this morning's BBC
Quote:
UK prime minister Gordon Brown has said Nato and the EU must reassess their relations with the Kremlin to prevent further "Russian aggression".
His comments came amid fears Russia could cut oil and gas flows in the row over Georgia.
Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:10 am Post subject: Re: RUSSIA PREPARES TO CUT OIL TO WEST WITHIN DAYS. !!!!!
Alcassin wrote:
Carlhole wrote:
Alcassin wrote:
Hmmm... Nothing will happen, Telegraph is just printing some more anti-Russian propaganda, nothing new, but it can..scare people. That's the point.
Russians are not going to put embargo on their major source of euros and dollars. It's economically stupid, and politically outrageous.
And all this crap that Russia is going to disappear in 100 years - oh, what are you smoking man, give me some. There no chance for another Yeltsin.
It's amazing how US and British media co-ordinate propaganda. Personally, I think the British press is a little less propagandized than the US press but they are identical on certain specific topics -- the demonization of Russia is one of them.
If you could read what Polish MSM are writing you would see even broader spectrum Carlhole. It's not only Anglo-American.
What are they writing? Can you translate a piece or two for us?
You know who Zbigniew Brzezinski is right? He was Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor and he has been at the forefront of American foreign policy planning for decades now.
He was born in Poland to an aristocratic Polish family whose fortunes were shattered by WWII (in particular, the ceding of Poland to the Soviet Union in the Yalta Conference. It was not safe for them to return to their lands).
Zbigniew Brzezinski has loathed and hated the Russians ever since. That the Soviet Union collapsed and has fragmented makes no difference to him. That Russia operates a state capitalism like China makes no difference. He loathes and detests the Russians and he will not cease from plotting against them.
I believe it is by Zbigniew Brzezinski's decree that the US media has been so obviously biased in its reporting. I realize that the British have historically also sought to contain and control the Russians and have also propagandized the hell out of various conflicts and international incidents going back well over a century.
But, from a Pole's perspective, why is it that Zbigniew Brzezinski is so vehement in his hatred of Russia even after the collapse of the Soviet Union? _________________ "May you live in interesting times"
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: Re: RUSSIA PREPARES TO CUT OIL TO WEST WITHIN DAYS. !!!!!
Carlhole wrote:
What are they writing? Can you translate a piece or two for us?
I turned off TV on the first day of war. I was watching Olympics, and a commentator said that Georgia attacked Sth Osetia. So I knew that by the midnight it will be Russian fault.
So I turned on TVN24 (Polish MSNBC) on 9 pm, and talking heads were talking about Russian imperialism and attacking sovereign nation. I wondered where were those guys in march 2003 when we attacked Iraq.
Every journal shouted "It's Russian aggression" - (like Gazeta Wyborcza), "Georgia under attack" and of course "Imperialism of Putin". All the stories about this conflict blame Russians and demonize them - totalitarian, bolshevik, evil. All the media serve American interest.
The same went with Iraq, and there is no real discussion about rocket base (I don't use the word "shield" since you can also install there ICBMs).
I don't buy it, but majority people do. No wonder, they are permanently influenced by propaganda. I look like a FSB agent when I see some controversies, whatever.
Quote:
You know who Zbigniew Brzezinski is right?
But, from a Pole's perspective, why is it that Zbigniew Brzezinski is so vehement in his hatred of Russia even after the collapse of the Soviet Union?
Great majority of Poles are russophobes. And they hate Germans and Jews too. Poles also killed Jews during and after nazi occupation, however it's Anti-Polish to say this.
Russia is seen to be a threat since partition of Poland in 18th century (which was in interest of Polish aristocrats - maybe Zbig's ancestors).
Brzezinski created model of geopolitics which one of the main goals it to weaken Russia, because the stronger the country is the tougher is mission to secure American influence in Caspian Basin. So every tool, every weapon and every policy of the USA is to make Russia weak - like in Yeltsin era.
Imperialism hates competition. Russian imperialism in that matter undermines Euro-Atlantic domination in any region, therefore it must be destroyed. To be honest, Putin is a pain in the ass because he plays the same rules as the West. This creates danger for our power and expansion, and from the moral side it shows the West as doublespeaking bunch of hypocrites.
BTW - American base in Kosovo is just monstrous, and the only long term purpose I see for independent Kosovo is a bumper for that base. You just couldn't build the base in Serbia.
Brezinski is for globalism and Euro-Atlantism [Western bloc] while neocons want American unilateral domination. It's the main difference, it's very narrow and shows what kind of alternatives we really have. _________________ The poor complain; they always do,
But that's just idle chatter.
Our system brings rewards to all,
At least to all who matter.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: Re: RUSSIA PREPARES TO CUT OIL TO WEST WITHIN DAYS. !!!!!
The way various NATO leaders (e.g. Gordon Brown) are reacting to Saakashvili's war crime (i.e. not a single condemnation) and instead label aggression the establishment of two buffer zones around Abkhazia and South Ossetia to prevent Saakashvili using artillery and MLRS on civilians shows that they are his allies and supporters. Gordon Brown is a criminal by aiding and abetting a criminal. Don't worry, scumbag Brown, there will be consequences for NATO's vicious attack on Russian civilians.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: Re: RUSSIA PREPARES TO CUT OIL TO WEST WITHIN DAYS. !!!!!
dissident wrote:
The way various NATO leaders (e.g. Gordon Brown) are reacting to Saakashvili's war crime (i.e. not a single condemnation) and instead label aggression the establishment of two buffer zones around Abkhazia and South Ossetia to prevent Saakashvili using artillery and MLRS on civilians shows that they are his allies and supporters. Gordon Brown is a criminal by aiding and abetting a criminal. Don't worry, scumbag Brown, there will be consequences for NATO's vicious attack on Russian civilians.
Yep, double standards are alive and well
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