Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
green_achers wrote:
Quote:
Slope workers go up for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off back home.
You're talking about a few oil rig workers, I assume. They do the same thing on the rigs in the gulf. We're talking about a major city here.
You don't have to restaff the whole city, just the docks, warehouses and refineries. A skeleton Crew of maybe 10-20,000? They could ship them in and out using the same 700 schoolbuses they are shipping them out with in the Evac
Reverse Engineer
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
ReverseEngineer wrote:
green_achers wrote:
Quote:
Slope workers go up for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off back home.
You're talking about a few oil rig workers, I assume. They do the same thing on the rigs in the gulf. We're talking about a major city here.
You don't have to restaff the whole city, just the docks, warehouses and refineries. A skeleton Crew of maybe 10-20,000? They could ship them in and out using the same 700 schoolbuses they are shipping them out with in the Evac
Or just take the 10% of the town that does not flood and make that into its own complete city. Tear down "historic" building to make what you need to get that job done. _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
J.R.R. Tolkien
"The time has come for men to act like men; and for women, well, to act a lot more like men."
-Ma Cur
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
green_achers wrote:
Quinny wrote:
Hope you're right or you're going to look a little silly!
green_achers wrote:
Such hysteria.
Well, I am right that most of the posts in this thread are a bunch of hysteria. It is starting to look like the storm might be a threat, but it's still too early to know where it might land. Evacuating NO two days ago would have looked a little silly, wouldn't it?
One last time I'll try:
I don't care whether the people in New Orleans look silly or smart. The fact that they choose to live there pretty much answers that question anyway.
Anybody who can't get out/doesn't get out/won't get out should not get a dime of federal money. That's it. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
Cashmere wrote:
green_achers wrote:
Quinny wrote:
Hope you're right or you're going to look a little silly!
green_achers wrote:
Such hysteria.
Well, I am right that most of the posts in this thread are a bunch of hysteria. It is starting to look like the storm might be a threat, but it's still too early to know where it might land. Evacuating NO two days ago would have looked a little silly, wouldn't it?
One last time I'll try:
I don't care whether the people in New Orleans look silly or smart. The fact that they choose to live there pretty much answers that question anyway. Anybody who can't get out/doesn't get out/won't get out should not get a dime of federal money.That's it.
cash, I'm with you; here are two posts from a different forum:
When Alicia hit, my DH went to go get 'essentials' after he secured a generator and boarded up the house.
He came home with:
1. a big roll of summer sausage
2. a package of OREOS
3. a case of beer
and:
Ya know what? Im right out there buying all that kind of food. The last thing I want to do thru a hurricane and afterwards is COOK. All I want are COLD meals... and mostly... I CRAVE cold cereal. I dont store meats in the freezer during hurricane season. I lost about 50 pounds
My favorite "must have" hurricane staples is....... MOON PIES!!! I guess its something about sugar that has a calming affect on me..hehehehe. we're saved.
Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
Well Green Archers, it looks like your Mississippi instinct was off . . .
Nagin orders evacuation of New Orleans. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
Without hurricanes we (in my part of the country) would suffer from drought. We had not received any rain in the last few weeks and crops were dying.
Then the remnants of the last hurricane to hit Fla. a week ago brought us 1-1/2 inches. Now Katrina brought us 10 inches and we got flooded out. (Some of us, but I was on high ground.)
I heard on the news today a lady said it was 'an injustice' that they have to suffer though a big hurricane so soon after Katrina. Taoist's believe that the cosmic / natural forces do not favor any things but treat all with equanimity.
It seems nature has it worked out as she likes and not as we like. All we can do is prepare best we can and stay out of her way.
It's always foolish to do your told-ye-so's before the story's over. And I wouldn't exactly pin my case on Ray Nagin's actions.
Right now my friends on the Coast that stayed are feeling pretty unsilly. It's still too early for me to say one way or the other as far as NO is concerned, but no huge disaster so far.
Aren't too many people that understand the subject of probability and extreme events very well. Heck, I used to do it for a living, and it still warps my brain some times. Lets just say that when it was my call to make a judgment over whether a state of emergency existed, there was a much bigger downside from saying "no" and being wrong that in the reverse. The old saying was "No hydrologist was ever fired for overestimating a risk."
But taking actions that turn out to be unnecessary also have their risks, and their costs. Hate to tell you this Cash, my old friend, but your hard-earned dollars were spent in profusion during this whole dog-and-pony show that appears to be winding down. And more fed funds will be spent next time they evacuate.
It's part of living in a nation. Get over it.
Not to say there aren't places, flood plains and such, where construction ought to be prohibited. But making blanket statements about whole regions isn't a constructive addition to the discussion. _________________ Sarah Palin: Because what we really need right now is another inexperienced, inarticulate, personable, fundamentalist governor of an oil-dependent state for president.
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
green_achers wrote:
It's part of living in a nation. Get over it.
No thanks - then I'd be just like you delta leeches.
Anyway, the time is short.
Soon enough again, New O will be decimated by a hurricane - but next time, things will be tight everywhere, and nobody will share with y'all.
Then it's curtains for the big easy. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
So, would folks who object to spending money on evacuations etc, also object to military spending. How about all those libertarian folks secede from all nations and see how that works out.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
TreebeardsUncle wrote:
So, would folks who object to spending money on evacuations etc, also object to military spending. How about all those libertarian folks secede from all nations and see how that works out.
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I would not object to spending money for evacuation but only for re-construction because it seems like a poor investment, like a bridge to nowhere, like a George W. Bush Presidential Library. NO is a bad place to have a city of that size.
At some level people also need to take responsibility for themselves, and move out of a city whose very location puts them and their loved ones at risk. At some point they are responsible for making that decision for themselves... I think Katrina took away any excuse any one might have for not understanding the danger.
So lets spend the money on expanding the rail network, or sending the nation's brightest grad school to become electrical engineers or perhaps on a training program to help people learn to grow their own food... there are a lot of things we could spend the money on that would have a longer benefit than rebuilding NO. _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
J.R.R. Tolkien
"The time has come for men to act like men; and for women, well, to act a lot more like men."
-Ma Cur
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
Rebuilding NO is an exercise in futility. Sure, I feel empathy for the people who grew up there and didn't really make a concious decision to make a life there...but there's no point in rebuilding that area every 3 years or so. It's not even been rebuilt since Katrina, and this year's hurricane season is just getting cranked up. Sea levels are rising, storms are getting stronger and less predictable. Much of NO is below sea level as it is.
I'd support efforts to relocate NO, but not rebuild it. Any sustainable rebuilding project would involve filling the land with millions of tons of rock to raise it above sea level and would burry the land anyway. Anything short of that, and we're just pouring money into a sink hole, and setting people up to die.
Again, not trying to be harsh. Just realistic. Move it, or eventually the sea will take what's hers, and she doesn't negotiate.
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