Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Contrived Shortages & the New Reality
POAlex wrote:
Vision, you should discuss what he said instead of targeting him for being a Christian. Think about it. You get the world so interconnected and dependent on a resource then you cut off that resource to force the population to have no choice but accept the solution you chose. Whether scarcity is real or fabricated, the result is the same.
In order to convince the world to unite into a world government, you first have to convince the world there's no other choice.What is the Illuminati Conspiracy?
The Christian Myth has caused the World great pain! The new Roman Empire............ _________________ Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Contrived Shortages & the New Reality
POAlex wrote:
Vision, you should discuss what he said instead of targeting him for being a Christian. Think about it. You get the world so interconnected and dependent on a resource then you cut off that resource to force the population to have no choice but accept the solution you chose. Whether scarcity is real or fabricated, the result is the same.
In order to convince the world to unite into a world government, you first have to convince the world there's no other choice.What is the Illuminati Conspiracy?
ok, let's discuss what he said. He said that PO is pure BS, that we could swim in oil if it wasn't for a group of evil 'illuminati' that are doing everything to cut the availability of oil.
This hypothesis imply that even big oil companies are so unaware of this conspiracy that they are pouring billions in developing hard to extract oil from Alberta shale and offshore drilling. Hard to believe. Plus, there are hundreds of reports from independent geologist, based on hard data that show that the best days of oil are over. The above hypothesis imply that even these people are in a total delusional state.
At this point, we are forced to chose between what these fact and people are telling us, and what people believing in such conspiracy are telling us. Well, i know who to believe, and therefore this ends the discussion.
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Contrived Shortages & the New Reality
vision-master wrote:
The indigenous religious elders understand.
You like to put native americans up on a pretty high pedestal. How much personal experience do you have with them? If you have this much interest maybe you should go visit a reservation and get to know them better rather than idolizing them based on some youtube videos. _________________ http://doomsteaddiary.blogspot.com/
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: Re: Contrived Shortages & the New Reality
vision-master wrote:
Have you spoken to your congregation?
I do not belong to a congregation, but was raised under Christian beliefs... If I were part of a congregation I would be quickly labeled king kool-aid
I dont have a problem talking to people about PO... I just dont go into the horrifying results. I simply ask them, "do you agree that oil is a finite resource?". Which they almost always answer yes... Then I start talking about how we had a oil supply crisis in the 70's and ask them if they are familiar with it. Then I explain how our problem was easily fixed in the 70's because we just started importing oil from other countries and have been doing it ever since. Then I tell them we are at the point where a lot of other countries are starting to have problems keep their oil supply up just like we did in the 70's and how it will begin an irriversable decline in production. Then I ask them where the extra oil will come from this time.
That usually either shuts them up because they know the ramifications of running low on oil or it starts a conversation, an actual conversation about other energy needs, which leads them to bringing up all kinds of technologies that are no where near helping us.... _________________ Tired of high gas prices? Then stop driving to work, duh..... Learn to Work from home
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Contrived Shortages & the New Reality
This justs proves americans love conspiracies. 9/11, JFK, Roswell, Hoffa, this is just another.
When you don't know something (PO)or dislike something (GW) , create it as a conspiracy. People in the US believe with all their hearts that oil is so plentiful, it is just meanies are keeping it from them.
Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Contrived Shortages & the New Reality
vision-master wrote:
POAlex wrote:
Vision, you should discuss what he said instead of targeting him for being a Christian. Think about it. You get the world so interconnected and dependent on a resource then you cut off that resource to force the population to have no choice but accept the solution you chose. Whether scarcity is real or fabricated, the result is the same.
In order to convince the world to unite into a world government, you first have to convince the world there's no other choice.What is the Illuminati Conspiracy?
The Christian Myth has caused the World great pain! The new Roman Empire..
Sure it is true. but atheist run countries have a policy of extermination and ethnic cleansing rather than applying charity. So taking god out on the gov also can be bad.
Atheists like to claim religion killed so many people...well without religion in world the killings would have been much worse.
It was figured out long ago that humans need some sort of religion or they generally suck. So, go ahead and pick, one... link
Joined: May 17, 2008 Posts: 53 Location: UK, Yorkshire
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Contrived Shortages & the New Reality
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....but atheist run countries have a policy of extermination and ethnic cleansing rather than applying charity. So taking god out on the gov also can be bad.
Atheists like to claim religion killed so many people...well without religion in world the killings would have been much worse.
This is just an idiotic or mischevous libel - 'Atheist' run countries do not have policies of extermination!!! Secular democracies in Western Europe, or Japan for example.
Ethnic cleansing is by definition carried out on ethnic lines, not in the name of a lack of belief in any particular god. Much ethnic cleansing is in any case along religious and cultural lines, e.g. muslim kosovans v their slav orthadox christian neghbours (and the first thing they did was dynamite the vacated slav churches).
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Contrived Shortages & the New Reality
newbonic I don't like it either as a Strong Agnostic but he is essentially correct. Pol Pot and PRC both professed atheist nations, both wiped out vast swathes of their own population.
Of course they were both dictatorships and had highly limited resources for the population. Which I suspect is a more likely to cause genocide than religious beliefs.
Face it, humans have killed for food, water and hell 'bling' for a long time and will probably continue to do so. This has happened through different religions, different areas different race. The only thing which has stopped it is prosperity.
To the OP, Christian belief which takes the age of the earth from the 'count ages of people in the bible' method is never going to like the idea of oil formed over geological ages from the bodies of animals.
Joined: May 17, 2008 Posts: 53 Location: UK, Yorkshire
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: Contrived Shortages & the New Reality
BlueGhostNo2 wrote:
newbonic I don't like it either as a Strong Agnostic but he is essentially correct. Pol Pot and PRC both professed atheist nations, both wiped out vast swathes of their own population.
You missed out Stalin's Russia/Soviet Union - that was a bloodbath to.
However, they were not psycopathically murderous in the name of a lack of belief in any particular god (allah/thor/jehova/ra, etc.), unless you count Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao as surrogate prophets. But rather they were run by power hungry sociopaths who destroyed any competing political force (which organised religion most definitely is).
Equally there are many examples of religiously justified bloodbaths, e.g. the conquistadors in south america, the british empire in africa (google white mans burden), the US as it conquered north america, muslim conquests, etc.
My point being that it is probably human nature to engage in barbaric behavior under some conditions, but as an atheist myself I resent the attempt by the poster to potray non religious folk as slavering monsters who'd go on a killing spree if we ever got into government!!!! (atheist run nations etc.).
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Contrived Shortages & the New Reality
The difference is that Atheists do not kill for Atheism. They may have rotten governments run by despots but they do not have the banner of "we do this for God" flying above them.
Few things are stronger or more destructive than the lure of "do this thing for God".
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