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deMolay
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Southpaw
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 Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Zogby Poll Obama Dropping |
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I really have doubts that Mc Cain will win.
The Republicans have almost failed in every big event that happenend in the past 8 years.
For example
9/11 terrorist attack worst crime ever comitted and the bad guy is still on the loose (asuming that osama is the culprit)
Hurricane Katrina everything that could go wrong happenend.
2 times a recession in less then 8 years time? never happenend before i think.
The biggest bubble of all time burst the housing crisis
Iraq war that is a major disaster.
Energy crisis and oil shocks.
Huricane Gustav that could become a major disaster
and maybe to coming of a next great depression wich i really hope does not happen.
all happenend when the Republicans were in charge. so any person that holds a grudge against Bush thx too all of this really shouldn't vote for Mc Cain. |
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allenwrench
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Zogby Poll Obama Dropping |
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| Southpaw wrote: | I really have doubts that Mc Cain will win.
The Republicans have almost failed in every big event that happenend in the past 8 years.
For example
9/11 terrorist attack worst crime ever comitted and the bad guy is still on the loose (asuming that osama is the culprit)
Hurricane Katrina everything that could go wrong happenend.
2 times a recession in less then 8 years time? never happenend before i think.
The biggest bubble of all time burst the housing crisis
Iraq war that is a major disaster.
Energy crisis and oil shocks.
Huricane Gustav that could become a major disaster
and maybe to coming of a next great depression wich i really hope does not happen.
all happenend when the Republicans were in charge. so any person that holds a grudge against Bush thx too all of this really shouldn't vote for Mc Cain. |
All True.
...but people get get blinded and drunk with hope. |
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evilgenius
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Zogby Poll Obama Dropping |
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Hope for what is what I am pondering. Hope for the conservative disease that America has to finally find traction and begin to work for a group other than the powerful. Hope for the crowd that holds to moral absolutes to be right, in heaven, about what was done to so many in so many ways here on earth, as if what God really wants is suffering (that's okay He will make it all right in heaven). Hope for the people to realize that they really do hold the power and that what has been going on and what will go on is, I repeat, is their fault. Hope for the American people to recognize that those who are more intelligent ought to lead and that no, they aren't as smart as the best and brightest and they should practice listening more in proportion to blabbering. Hope that Americans will finally embrace reason and begin to see the world in that light. Hope against hope is what it is really. Watch that Palin woman take over after McCain has a cancer re-occurance and you will really see what role hope has in your American lives because hope will be all that you will have left.
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TreeFarmer
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Zogby Poll Obama Dropping |
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| Southpaw wrote: | I really have doubts that Mc Cain will win.
The Republicans have almost failed in every big event that happenend in the past 8 years.
For example
9/11 terrorist attack worst crime ever comitted and the bad guy is still on the loose (asuming that osama is the culprit)
Hurricane Katrina everything that could go wrong happenend.
2 times a recession in less then 8 years time? never happenend before i think.
The biggest bubble of all time burst the housing crisis
Iraq war that is a major disaster.
Energy crisis and oil shocks.
Huricane Gustav that could become a major disaster
and maybe to coming of a next great depression wich i really hope does not happen.
all happenend when the Republicans were in charge. so any person that holds a grudge against Bush thx too all of this really shouldn't vote for Mc Cain. |
I think you are unfairly laying a few of those on the Republicans. For instance:
9/11 terrorist attack worst crime ever comitted and the bad guy is still on the loose (asuming that osama is the culprit) -- Clinton could have had Osama during his administration but passed.
Hurricane Katrina everything that could go wrong happenend.-- An unprecedented disaster, I put 1/2 on the Republicans and 1/2 on the LA Democrats who bungled the situation as well.
The biggest bubble of all time burst the housing crisis-- this was a result of the creation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the more liberal idea that everyone should not only be able to buy a house but should be helped to do so. It ran up the demand and prices of houses/land to way overshoot proportions which then had to correct.
Energy crisis and oil shocks. -- I saw Ben Stein on a talk show a couple of weeks ago. He stated that while a part of the NIXON administration he wrote the first comprehensive energy policy for the country which Nixon then sent to congress. Of course, congress did nothing. There is plenty of blame here for all parties.
Huricane Gustav that could become a major disaster. -- I'm laughing at you for this one. Are you claiming that the Republicans control the weather? Maybe hurricanes can be Republicans fault and earthquakes the Democrats fault?
As a book I recently read pointed out, yes the Republicans have had a majority a couple of times but there has yet to be a conservative majority. Now, I'm not going to defend the current administration any more because they have spent money like drunken sailors, not only on the war but also the prescription drug plan which we can't afford either.
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P.S. I think McCain has a good chance of winning now that Obama has picked Biden. You now have way left and further left on the Dem ticket. That pretty much leaves the middle and the right to the Republicans. It is hard to win only getting 1 of 3 votes. (Yes I know Obama will do better than that but I hope you get what I'm alluding to.) |
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Ludi
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Zogby Poll Obama Dropping |
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With that hottie on the ticket, McCain is bound to win.
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POAlex
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Zogby Poll Obama Dropping |
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| evilgenius wrote: | Hope that Americans will finally embrace
reason and begin to see the world in that light. |
The elections aside for a second.
Let me ask you a question. If you were in a sinking dingy, would you pull out a gun and blow a few more holes in it? I would surely hope not.
This world is on the brink of falling apart and you're suggesting we replace God with man's wisdom?
Doesn't sound like a good idea.
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Fishman
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Zogby Poll Obama Dropping |
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At present, Obama will win. He has a huge advantage in the electoral college. Go to Pollster for the view. At present he has 260 electoral votes, with only 270 needed. Saying that, he will struggle from here on out to maintain that advantage. He'll stumble in the debates with McCain, and as we get closer folks will become more and more afraid of his inexperience and total lack of message. (see Jibjab). 9/11 nutjobs will be out in force it seems (see here), driving anyone not on antipsycotics away from the Democratic ticket. It will be a hilarious fall.
Palin will energize the right like nothing imagined. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: Zogby Poll Obama Dropping |
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| Fishman wrote: | At present, Obama will win. He has a huge advantage in the electoral college. Go to Pollster for the view. At present he has 260 electoral votes, with only 270 needed. Saying that, he will struggle from here on out to maintain that advantage. He'll stumble in the debates with McCain, and as we get closer folks will become more and more afraid of his inexperience and total lack of message. (see Jibjab). 9/11 nutjobs will be out in force it seems (see here), driving anyone not on antipsycotics away from the Democratic ticket. It will be a hilarious fall.
Palin will energize the right like nothing imagined. |
It's not just the right wingers.
Elections are won or lost based on white suburban middle class women. I can see a lot of them being able to relate with her as a fellow working mom.
It would be one thing if Palin was a silver spoon and an idiot.
But she appears to be a quick study and is anything but a silver spoon. One of the first things she did as governor was fire the chef and the chauffeur. She (basically) said, "I'm the one who cooks for my family and drives my children around".
Politics aside, you've got to respect her character.
If she can come across as competent, Obama may end up just barely losing the election.
He should win it by 10 points based on the economy, the war, $4 gas, Katrina, etc, etc, etc
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dinopello
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Zogby Poll Obama Dropping |
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| Ludi wrote: | With that hottie on the ticket, McCain is bound to win.
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Just another distraction to McCain getting his message out and for people to actually pay attention to what he stands for. And that, it seems, is working to his great advantage |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Zogby Poll Obama Dropping |
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| Southpaw wrote: | I really have doubts that Mc Cain will win.
The Republicans have almost failed in every big event that happenend in the past 8 years. |
Yep. And the Democrats won a landslide in the 2006 Congressional election on more or less that exact platform, and since then they've done what again to fix it? Lets face it both parties are composed exclusively of inept debaucerous loosers with a decades long history of doing nothing productive. We have become the crumbling Roman empire.
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dinopello
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: Zogby Poll Obama Dropping |
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| Tyler_JC wrote: | | One of the first things she did as governor was fire the chef and the chauffeur. She (basically) said, "I'm the one who cooks for my family and drives my children around". |
She is the perfect woman !
She brings home the bacon, frys it up in the pan, and never lets her hubby forget he's the man. She gets snaps back to shape after birthing and makes a mean moose stew. She's handy with a rifle and a smokin hot babe too. All you women out there should aspire to be just like her.  |
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Ludi
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Zogby Poll Obama Dropping |
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| POAlex wrote: | | evilgenius wrote: | Hope that Americans will finally embrace
reason and begin to see the world in that light. |
The elections aside for a second.
Let me ask you a question. If you were in a sinking dingy, would you pull out a gun and blow a few more holes in it? I would surely hope not.
This world is on the brink of falling apart and you're suggesting we replace God with man's wisdom?
Doesn't sound like a good idea.
Alex |
Do you feel that God did not give Man reason/wisdom? If not, where did reason come from?
What is God telling us to do right now about the world falling apart, in your opinion?
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Zogby Poll Obama Dropping |
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| Quote: | It's simple economics. Today it's oil, right? In ten or fifteen years, food. Plutonium. Maybe even sooner. Now, what do you think the people are gonna want us to do then?
Joe Turner: Ask them?
Higgins: Not now - then! Ask 'em when they're running out. Ask 'em when there's no heat in their homes and they're cold. Ask 'em when their engines stop. Ask 'em when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna know something? They won't want us to ask 'em. They'll just want us to get it for 'em!
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This quote has been around the community for quite awhile. It's still very true though. It's the "American way of Life" that dictates policy. Until we as a people use our "freedom" to get off foreign energy through demand destruction, our politicians will continue to be considered failures. After all, what we expect of them is becoming increasingly unachievable.
There is no politician on the planet that can give us what we want- cheap energy to fuel continued growth and perpetual business as usual.
Bush is considered a failure because he did what absolutely had to be done for America as we know it to exist: secure mideastern oil supplies by erecting huge bases right in the center of the golden triangle. A big step, to be sure, and an overt escalation of a geopolitical strategy that has been ONGOING for decades in nearly every single country in the world. Definitely every country with valuable resources. Definitely every POTUS.
You can sit on this thread and scream about how Bush should've done it differently or about how Obama is going to "change" the way the world works. Fine. It just shows your misunderstanding of what's at stake- TWAWKI.
Freedom means the ability to choose wrong. Think about that for a minute.......................it's a fact that escapes most Americans.
If you want to live somewhere where the leader makes all your choices for you, move to dictatorship01.
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Ludi
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Zogby Poll Obama Dropping |
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| MadScientist wrote: |
Bush is considered a failure because he did what absolutely had to be done for America as we know it to exist: secure mideastern oil supplies by erecting huge bases right in the center of the golden triangle. |
US oil imports from that region represent about 1/4 of US oil imports. Higher fuel economy standards and other conservation measures could have made up that amount of oil, without invading Iraq at huge expense and loss of life.
Oh, yeah, that's right - fuel economy and conservation aren't part of "America as we know it."
Yay Bush, doing "what had to be done," and lying about it.
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