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chuck6877
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:50 am |
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I hope $100 holds. It is the line in the sand. If it breaks who the heck knows how low it will go?
This market is crazy. People are commiting suicide over these losses in oil/gold/silver/anti-dollar bets I'm sure and this is true "capitulation".
Everyone says you have to see "capitulation" where there is blood in the streets and people are willing to sell no matter what the price is before the correction will be over. We're there!!
This has to be close to the bottom................... has to be?
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BigTex
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:45 am |
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Just calmly continue to buy your favorite companies in the sector.
The mood above ground has nothing to do with what is available below ground.
And remember the comical idea that it is DOLLAR STRENGTH that is hurting the sector the most right now.
DOLLAR STRENGTH!!! 
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Revi
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:17 am |
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It sounds like it's going down to $85 before it's through. At the peak of a commodity there is a saw toothed plateau. We are there.
http://www.321energy.com/reports/flynn/current.html
Remember that in the depression the price of everything went down.
Nobody has any money, so they are not buying anything any more.
There is a glut on the market, and until it's used up we are going to be treated to $3 gas. Then there will be a problem and the price will be up to over $5 and settle back down to around $4 for good.
All of us junkies quit buying at $4 a gallon. The dealer is putting it on sale to keep us hooked.
Time to buy an SUV?
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threadbear
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:26 am |
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Revi wrote: It sounds like it's going down to $85 before it's through. At the peak of a commodity there is a saw toothed plateau. We are there. http://www.321energy.com/reports/flynn/current.htmlRemember that in the depression the price of everything went down. Nobody has any money, so they are not buying anything any more. There is a glut on the market, and until it's used up we are going to be treated to $3 gas. Then there will be a problem and the price will be up to over $5 and settle back down to around $4 for good. All of us junkies quit buying at $4 a gallon. The dealer is putting it on sale to keep us hooked. Time to buy an SUV?
That's very true, Revi, and the forces of deflation may overwhelm all of the inflationary ones. But bear in mind that it's not just supply and demand considerations that impact price. It's also how the currency holds up in the international markets. It seems to me that a lot of what we are seeing is a pre election set up, which could easily be followed by a rate cut. A "strong" dollar will result in massive layoffs, a real Great Depression scenario. No politician in his right mind is going to choose this over inflation. It will be left for the next administration to deal with. Right now we are living in a completely artificial economic construct, so it's very hard to gauge anything accurately.
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Revi
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:30 am |
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I think you are right. It's weird how gas and oil are going down and the dollar is strengthening. I think it is the usual pre-election set up. They are up to their old tricks again.
I expect the cost of things we really need to start climbing again around November 4th.
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threadbear
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:51 am |
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Revi wrote: I think you are right. It's weird how gas and oil are going down and the dollar is strengthening. I think it is the usual pre-election set up. They are up to their old tricks again.
I expect the cost of things we really need to start climbing again around November 4th.
It depends how deep the manipulation is and it's collateral and unintended effects. I don't think that they can keep all the wheels on the cart for very long. I'm going to start a new thread with an article by Mike Whitney that contains an interview with Micheal Hudson, an economist. It's one of the best I've read about what is going on now. I think it deserves it's own thread or I'd post it here.
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startswithearthquakes
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:00 am |
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oh nozz, doom dooo0OoOm D000OOOoooOOOOOMMMM!!!
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lowem
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:10 pm |
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So it went down to $101.74.
Was that *it* ?
1. OPEC has just announced a production cut of 520,000 barrels per day.
2. The Beijing Olympics shutdown is scheduled to be lifted next week.
3. USDX is rapidly approaching the 80 resistance level.
So.
Was that *it*? 
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firestarter
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:18 pm |
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OPEC decided it's time to put in a bottom. Can't wait till tomorrow's inventory numbers to solidify matters.
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startswithearthquakes
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:41 pm |
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Oil will drop to 99.00 tomorrow.
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lowem
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:16 am |
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firestarter
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:28 am |
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A lot lower.
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chuck6877
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:18 am |
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I, as well as others like smallpoxgirl, said oil was going to go to the 200 day moving average which was at $110 or to an extreme low of $100.
Well we went to the extreme low and hit there today.
I'm saying the bottom is in. $100 is an enormous psychological and technical barrier as we consolidated up and down from $85 to $100 for months before finally breaking above $100 for good.
Also the OIX, Oil Stock Index, has risen greatly for the last two days even as oil fell. The stocks are telling us the bottom is in.
The stocks went down 2-3 days before oil reached its peak at close to $150. Now they're leading on the upside.
The bottom will be here at $100. I'm sure of it this time
Oh also GOLD bounced off $735 which was the high in 2006 before it plummeted from that level. I'm not as sure but I think the bottom is in for gold as well.
Chuck
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eastbay
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:19 am |
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Concur.
chuck6877 wrote: I, as well as others like smallpoxgirl, said oil was going to go to the 200 day moving average which was at $110 or to an extreme low of $100. Well we went to the extreme low and hit there today. I'm saying the bottom is in. $100 is an enormous psychological and technical barrier as we consolidated up and down from $85 to $100 for months before finally breaking above $100 for good. Also the OIX, Oil Stock Index, has risen greatly for the last two days even as oil fell. The stocks are telling us the bottom is in. The stocks went down 2-3 days before oil reached its peak at close to $150. Now they're leading on the upside. The bottom will be here at $100. I'm sure of it this time  Oh also GOLD bounced off $735 which was the high in 2006 before it plummeted from that level. I'm not as sure but I think the bottom is in for gold as well. Chuck
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chuck6877
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Post subject: Re: Another Record ($147.27) Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:39 am |
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One more thing:
The old decades long low in the US Dollar Index was around 80.50.
Guess what? We're there now.....
Chuck
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