Oil's energy contribution has declined by about 12% since 1999. The world's economies have also declined by about 12%. (Using conventional metrics, which are time delayed determinations, this will only be seen in hind sight). The massive destruction of asset values now occurring testifies to it happening.
Peak is well behind us, world economies have peaked and will continue to decline.
Woodward says that the situation in Iraq seems to be "getting better," in part because of the surge, but also because of newly developed techniques and operations that have allowed U.S. forces to locate, target and kill extremists and members of the insurgency. Though Woodward declines to detail specifics, he likens the impact of these new techniques to that of the tank or the airplane.
From the audio file [4:55] "...the fourth of course is very top secret and that is a series of operations that have been developed that allow US forces to locate, target and kill extremists, al Quida members, and members of the insurgency. On Friday, the White House (in responding to the book for the first time publicly) confirmed that there were newly developed techniques and operations which helped the situation stabilize in Iraq."
He goes on to call it a "game changer" and then compare it to the tank and the airplane (pretty damn significant, IMO). Any thoughts? I'm guessing something involving remotely piloted drones. Or, maybe just dressing up some old tactics and spinning it as "new and improved".
Joined: Aug 09, 2008 Posts: 46 Location: Pittsburgh
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: Re: new, top secret "techniques" in Iraq
I think they are secret because of the quotes from the White House and Bob Woodward that describe them as such. I don't know for certain that the techniques Woodward is referring to are the same ones that General Petraeus has discussed, but I doubt that Petraeus would be publicly discussing a topic that the White House branded as top secret.
If you listen to the audio, it sounds to me something very specific, like a new piece of gear/equipment.
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: Re: new, top secret "techniques" in Iraq
HeckuvaJob wrote:
If you listen to the audio, it sounds to me something very specific, like a new piece of gear/equipment.
Yeah, it's called "Giving out bags of money and weapons to the bad guys, then letting them rule their own neighborhoods." _________________ The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche
Joined: Aug 09, 2008 Posts: 46 Location: Pittsburgh
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: new, top secret "techniques" in Iraq
I think I found my answer over at Wired.com. Human thermal fingerprint at long distances! Coming soon to a police state near you.
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So what could this new weapon be? Sharon Weinberger at Wired.com has a guess:
I believe he is talking about the much ballyhooed (in defense geek circles) "Tagging, Tracking and Locating" [TTL] program... These are newfangled technologies designed to track people from long distances, without the targeted people realizing they are being tracked. That can theoretically include thermal signatures, or some sort of "taggant" placed on a person. Think Will Smith in Enemy of the State. Well, not so many cameras, maybe.
Why do I think this is the technology Woodward is referring to? Well, first, because it pretty much fits the bill, in terms of the type of capability he appears to be talking about. It has involvement from a number of players, including the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency and Special Operations Command. Also, the Defense Science Board has talked about this capability in similar terms, saying "the global war on terrorism cannot be won without a ‘Manhattan Project’-like TTL ... program."
Dinopello - thanks for the Signal link. I'd never heard of it- looks pretty intense.
Joined: May 24, 2008 Posts: 130 Location: Park County, Wyoming
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: Re: new, top secret "techniques" in Iraq
Just remember folks... nearly every weapon developed down through the ages has ended-up being used against it's own citizens by a tyrannical government.
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: new, top secret "techniques" in Iraq
Wow. I feel safer already.
Interestingly enough, RFID tags already offer the ability to track/pinpoint a person/item from extreemly long distances, provided you have a large enough dish with the proper filtering and amplifying equipment.
As an example, slap a high-gain dish or back-fire antenna on your wireless laptop and point it at a distant WiFi source. Far outside the connection range, your wireless card will still hear the beacon and recieve packets - the access point just won't hear you talking back.
Now think of this on a scale of orbital radio telescopes, but instead of pointing at a distant galaxy, they're pointing down at us. They can "hear" the resonation of an activated RFID tag. With 3 of them they can pinpoint (triangulate) the location, just like a GPS system working in reverse. Peridodically send out a pulse of EM that activates RFID tags, and viola: global tracking of yours truely.
On the up side, it does allow a PoW with a tag to be quickly located as long as they aren't too far underground.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: Re: new, top secret "techniques" in Iraq
WyoDutch wrote:
Just remember folks... nearly every weapon developed down through the ages has ended-up being used against it's own citizens by a tyrannical government.
Precisely. YOu hi the hammer on the head of the nail with that one.
Or to put it another, more generalized way, 'we' do not make our toys, only to leave them in the box forever, unused. There will be a terrorist attack using weapons of mass destruction, be it nuclear, biological, or chemical. This isn't doomer thinking, this is a fact of life. _________________ Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe.-H.G. Wells
Its not that great, easy to defeat. I have one, kind of nice for evening hikes at midnight without lights and when you drive down the road without lights in your car. There was a model car that has these built into it (you cannot see through the windshield though glas blocks it
cotton or cloth or canvas umbrella totally blocks you, while nylon or synthitic umbrellas are totally transparent. Wearing jeans, cotton socks cloth sneakers cotton hat and cotton gloves with cotton turtle neck with long sleeves you are black as night and cannot be seen. if any skin shows though it looks like a flashlight at 500 feet. have to cover all skin with cotton and you are invisible.
Most clothes are synthetic as well as some underwear, if you wear synthetic and point it at them you see them naked, almost half of people are naked since they wear syntheticc, it looks like they are walking without clothes. Women with sheer dresses and nylon panties, this is all invisible. go to the opera house with it and it is amazing everyone is sheer dresses and it looks like a nudist beach.
the sliding glass door and your windows in the house are totally blocked, yet you picture can come through a hollow core door!
so if you are in the house just stand in the front of the sliding glass door and they cdant see you, pretty funny.
trees have the same signature as people as do large rocks or statues or anything about the size of human.
If you were i a boulder field with rocks about 3 - 4 foot in diameter and you were still, you would be absolutely invisible, if you sit on your haunches, in an open filed you would be dead, unless you covered with a cotton tarp. then you cannot be seen.
also cotton clothing will block your signature as will a loos coat.
coving all your skin with goves and wearing a hat makes yo invisible.
I have one, use it to find my cat when he goes out at night, he likes to hide. 13,000 cat finder, LOL
also if you are in woods they wi9ll never find you the trees are so much noise.
covering self with a canvas tarp makes you invisible.
A friend has a $14,000 rifle scope that is FLIR (that is what it is called) and he never misses, the animal shines like a bonfire, but if it is in the trees, forget it.
deep woods with trees 18 inches in diameter FLIR is totally worthless.
Remember the movie predator? it was made with a really cheap FLIR cam, and he always hid i the trees, why? cause in thye trees FLIR doesn't work, its like your invisible if you stand right next to a tree or sit in its branches.
I would make my shelter in a tree house and you would never be found.
A 4x6 light canvas tarp for painting wrapped around you makes you disappear like a magician you totally disappear from sight.
I just go outside, flip it on and walk around the house, wherever the cat is he shines like a torch you just walk up to him and pick him up, he is totally hunkered down in pitch black, and he just freaks out when I grab him he cannot figure out how I find him when he cant even see me!
Gives me some respect.
this guy is wearing syntheitc clothing and a wool hat, really not a good idea.
cotton would make him much more invisible.
Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: new, top secret "techniques" in Iraq
The ultimate stealth dress is long cotton underwear (longjohns) and then loose cotton pants like dockers and loose cotton felt shirt long sleeves like logging shirts fro JC pennies and a cotton hat and socks and cotcanvas sneakers keep hands in pocket or wear cotton gloves, and wrap a cotton towl around your face totally black like the background. The colors of your clothes should be dark green incase they have starlight cameras then you will be invisible either way.
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: Re: new, top secret "techniques" in Iraq
mersa wrote:
The ultimate stealth dress is long cotton underwear (longjohns) and then loose cotton pants like dockers and loose cotton felt shirt long sleeves like logging shirts fro JC pennies and a cotton hat and socks and cotcanvas sneakers keep hands in pocket or wear cotton gloves, and wrap a cotton towl around your face totally black like the background. The colors of your clothes should be dark green incase they have starlight cameras then you will be invisible either way.
Old war surplus canvas pup tent or other canvas tents of old make totally hide you from any overhead FLIR camera or from any satellite. A Cheap 10 dollar canvas painters drop cloth heldabove you blocks all FLIR signal; anything under it is totally hidden. Nylon or lightweight tents now, are totally transparent, I can see how many fingers my friend holds up in his backpacking tent through the wall. canvas tent is totally black.
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:31 am Post subject: Re: new, top secret "techniques" in Iraq
Good to know. Never know when one might need this kind of knowledge.
I do know however that military uniforms, like the Army's has special coatings in it that make it invisible to this kind of camera. However users would have to paint their faces and hands with special paint in order to get totally invisible.
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