Oil's energy contribution has declined by about 12% since 1999. The world's economies have also declined by about 12%. (Using conventional metrics, which are time delayed determinations, this will only be seen in hind sight). The massive destruction of asset values now occurring testifies to it happening.
Peak is well behind us, world economies have peaked and will continue to decline.
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: Fasting - Transition to a world with scarce food
As you may know, it's Ramadan. It's the 18th of Ramadan actually. Ramadan is the (lunar) month when Muslims abstain from food, water, sexual activities and other needs throughout daylight hours from dawn to sunset.
At the beginning of the month, it starts off a bit hard, if you're not quite used to it. There's always the temptation of grabbing a quick bite to eat to ease the discomfort or drink a glass of water. However, as the days pass, it becomes significantly easier, especially on the food front. Being properly hydrated is a much greater concern - especially as someone who bikes 15-20 miles a day for 4-6 days a week, like myself.
One of the easing moments is when you realize that this is how our days will be spent for the greater part of the rest of our lives. Whether we grow our own food or not, we're likely not going to live in a post-peak world where your food and water desires can be met at the drop of a hat like they can now - be it in the kitchen or at the local burger joint.
The "problem" that arises with a scarcity of food - not to mention with a complete lack of food for even living purposes - is not so much physical or physiological as it is psychological. There is much ease in knowing that when you want to eat, you can eat. If that ease is taken away, especially in a swift amount of time with little room for adaptation, it will cause many people to break out as they won't be able to stand the discomfort or pain.
Fasting is, as I've learned and imagine, a decent stepping stone, if any exist, towards a shortfall in food sources and thus food accessibility. The hours (roughly 14 hours/day right now) are long enough that it tests one's ability to control oneself and think clearly when dehydrated, low on food and exhausted. Fasting, however, cannot simulate the psychological burden of not knowing when you will eat, if ever. The process of fasting involves, instead, actually knowing that you will eat, just not now, thus showing its flaws in perfectly capturing the feeling and experience of (nearly) starving.
I remember reading on here that someone else fasts completely for an entire week (was it Cur?). How about others? What have your experiences been like with fasting and the psychological and physical components that go with it? If you have not, I'd highly recommend that you look into fasting. I feel it can definitely help out at least some in your understanding and mental preparation for the post-peak world that we are just beginning to enter. _________________ Riches are not from abundance of worldly goods, but from a contented mind.
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Fasting - Transition to a world with scarce food
I don't have the impetus to fast now but have in the past. Went 9 days without food once (though not sexual activity ... well during the same period anyway, I went my first19 years without that) and have gone a day or two without food a couple dozen times.
It's important to get healthy now while there is such an abundance of quality nutrition available to us from all over. I can't imagine trying to do a fast if I was 100 pounds heavier & addicted (to one degree or another) to cola, coffee & alcohol. _________________ My PO Amazon store (shameless plug).
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Fasting - Transition to a world with scarce food
I have fasted many times in the past, for the entire month of Ramadhan. Hunger was never a problem for me, as I often don't even think about eating except for once a day. Thirst was a huge burden. Psychologically, it would have in no way prepared me to face a time without food, since, as you said, you know when you can eat again. That, and most of the people I was around shared a HUGE iftar meal each evening. Although it never happened to me, I knew people who actually gained weight during Ramadhan because of the huge iftar meals, and all the extra desserts and sweets that were prepared for it.
K
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Fasting - Transition to a world with scarce food
CarlinsDarlin wrote:
I knew people who actually gained weight during Ramadhan because of the huge iftar meals, and all the extra desserts and sweets that were prepared for it.
K
Starve/gorge cycle will cause your body to be more likely store the calories you do consume as fat. This has been widely known for decades.
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Fasting - Transition to a world with scarce food
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I fast one week a year (have for 15 years)...
Good. I remember you saying you did a while ago, but I couldn't remember who said it. How'd it go this year? What's up with the lemon juice in the water? How's that help you out?
Do you have a set time of the year during which you do it? I may do it with you next year, if it's still voluntary
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Psychologically, it would have in no way prepared me to face a time without food, since, as you said, you know when you can eat again.
I think one of the biggest gains is in learning how to control yourself and think clearly under the pains of hunger and thirst. Even though you know you'll eat again soon, often I'll become delirious and fatigued. Thinking clearly is a major necessity at all times, no matter our condition.
As rocc points out, there's also the pain issue that one has to deal with. Most people never have to worry about hunger. At least those that fast for 10-16+ hours a day know (briefly) what hunger and thirst are.
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Although it never happened to me, I knew people who actually gained weight during Ramadhan because of the huge iftar meals, and all the extra desserts and sweets that were prepared for it.
A lot of athletes and people who don't want to gain weight don't fast for this reason. To them, it's setting them back more than a month. _________________ Riches are not from abundance of worldly goods, but from a contented mind.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: Re: Fasting - Transition to a world with scarce food
I started last year fasting for four days four times per year. I think it's a good thing. I don't know how good of a preparation it is for peak oil. The difficult part of fasting, for me at least, is not the hunger. It's maintaining the will power to not eat when you easily could. In a world of food scarcity, that won't be an option. There won't be any will power required. _________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Fasting - Transition to a world with scarce food
3aidlillahi wrote:
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I fast one week a year (have for 15 years)...
Good. I remember you saying you did a while ago, but I couldn't remember who said it. How'd it go this year? What's up with the lemon juice in the water? How's that help you out?
Do you have a set time of the year during which you do it? I may do it with you next year, if it's still voluntary
I tried for 10 days this year and got to 8.
My daughter for the first time went 3 days...she is 14...and the spit from my mouth.
I cannot tell you how proud I was (am) of her. _________________ 500 MPH into a brick wall - me
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