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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Pretorian wrote:
Nickel wrote:
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This stealth crap was come up in Russia in 1970. Russia chosed do not to use this crap.
Mother Russia invent telephone, airplane, toilet paper (okay, only single ply, but thought of it first), oxygen, and Moon... and land on Moon first, too, but keep it secret so Comrade Roosevelt not feel embarrassed by only coming up with atomic bomb... also second. 5propeller
Sorry to break your sarcasm but airplane was invented by a Russian citizen ( probably Pole or Ukrainian). My cousen's teacher was his great-granddaughter.

Not aircraft, but rocket. Name of inventor was Konstantin Ciolkowski.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

U.S. losing attractiveness for migrants
Their number is dramatically reduced


The crisis in the American economy has meant that the country is becoming less attractive to migrants. Due to rising unemployment and falling standard of living of the number of visitors from Latin America, previously comprised the lion's share of migration to the United States sharply reduced. Some have already arrived illegals going to go home because of a lack of economic prospects, said the newspaper The Wall Street Journal.

Research Center Pew Hispanic Center, referring to the official statistics reported a sharp decline in the number of visitors from Latin America. While in 2007 the United States arrived 358 thousand Spanish-speaking foreigners, for the period 2000-2007 years the influx of immigrants averaged 558 thousand people every year. Researchers suggest that in 2008 the number of visitors from Mexico and Central America will decline by more than 50% - up to 150 and 75 thousand respectively.

The United States has long positioned itself as the country most favorable for migrants. Indeed, the Americans - this is a nation of migrants - all that is created, was created to work. And now we see a major revision of previous policy. Razvenchan another propaganda myth that America is a country «great potential», where everyone can come to rely on the realization of all their abilities and the right to a dignified life. Now the notorious «American dream», where poor migrants without a penny in his pocket probivaet their talents and hard road to the prosperous life (and quite simply, out of the mud in the Duke) does not work anymore.

«There has been a decline in the attractiveness of America itself as the place where you can implement and make», - told RBC daily CEO Agency's political and economic communications Dmitry Orlov. In his view, you can talk about the collapse of propaganda myth that the United States - is «some promised land for immigrants». «People understand that there are lots of places where people can live, earn and sell itself to a much greater extent», - the experts say.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Neo-liberal religion is outdated
And the world economy led to the Great Depression


Last bankruptcy largest banks in some of the most developed Western countries, the fall in real estate markets and the downturn in stock markets around the world clearly indicate uscherbnost principles practiced neo-liberal religion. The myth of the «hidden hand of the market», able to solve any problem in the economy, has been completely dispelled. The price of this experience has been estimated at trillions of dollars and the future, according to experts, does not augur a rapid improvement in the situation on world markets. Conversely, any efforts by Governments are not enough to avoid a second Great Depression, only to have globally, and possibly the collapse of the entire global financial system.

Having come to power in the U.S. in the 80's, neoliberaly immediately proceeded to monetized the entire economic system. This was followed by wild growth of the economy, and then was laid lasting crisis, which the time being were not aware. Experts estimate that in the late 80's was to be a serious crisis, but it was postponed because of the collapse of the Soviet Union and throughout Eastern bloc, followed by Western countries, in particular, have received new markets for their products. «However, taking into account inflation, the markets are not increased. Combat is the inevitable crisis, suggested using the main neo-liberal recipe: inflated demand through credit », - told RBC daily chief economist Investment ITinvest Sergei Egishyants.

The last twenty years neoliberalov led by Alan Greenspan, a policy of financial authorities, the U.S. was aimed at lowering interest rates in order to maximize the reduction of the cost of credit for stimulating consumption. «In mid 2000-ies the authorities reached the limit, because the interest rate almost reached zero. Markets stopped responding to their further reduction, however, the savings rate fell to 0%. In fact, cost has become equal to the amount of revenue, while debt began to grow catastrophically », - noted Mr. Egishyants. What leads notorious «binge loan», vividly demonstrated the U.S. economy sample of 1929.

Interestingly, among the causes of the Great Depression in the United States provide a minimum state participation in economic regulation and pumping the economy with money. Now we are seeing something similar, only in much larger scale - because of globalization. «Now deflationary contraction may happen throughout the world. Undulating development crises will continue », - believes Sergey Egishyants. «Holes in the U.S. economy are too great, but the collapse of the global financial system simply inevitable», - - summarizes president of consulting company «Neokon» Mikhail Hazin.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

My god! you mean Americans might have to wipe their own asses?
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U.S. losing attractiveness for migrants. Their number is dramatically reduced
The crisis in the American economy has meant that the country is becoming less attractive to migrants. Due to rising unemployment and falling standard of living of the number of visitors from Latin America, previously comprised the lion's share of migration to the United States sharply reduced. Some have already arrived illegals going to go home because of a lack of economic prospects, said the newspaper The Wall Street Journal.
Research Center Pew Hispanic Center, referring to the official statistics reported a sharp decline in the number of visitors from Latin America. While in 2007 the United States arrived 358 thousand Spanish-speaking foreigners, for the period 2000-2007 years the influx of immigrants averaged 558 thousand people every year. Researchers suggest that in 2008 the number of visitors from Mexico and Central America will decline by more than 50% - up to 150 and 75 thousand respectively.

The United States has long positioned itself as the country most favorable for migrants. Indeed, the Americans - this is a nation of migrants - all that is created, was created to work. And now we see a major revision of previous policy. Razvenchan another propaganda myth that America is a country «great potential», where everyone can come to rely on the realization of all their abilities and the right to a dignified life. Now the notorious «American dream», where poor migrants without a penny in his pocket probivaet their talents and hard road to the prosperous life (and quite simply, out of the mud in the Duke) does not work anymore.

«There has been a decline in the attractiveness of America itself as the place where you can implement and make», - told RBC daily CEO Agency's political and economic communications Dmitry Orlov. In his view, you can talk about the collapse of propaganda myth that the United States - is «some promised land for immigrants». «People understand that there are lots of places where people can live, earn and sell itself to a much greater extent», - the experts say.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Bwahahaa, evgeny, you're like a one man "American Dream" wrecking crew.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Russia Gives Nato 21 Days To Leave Black Sea Russian Sub buildup off US Coast. On September 3, 2008, George Norey the host of Coast to Coast which is heard in the US on over 500 Stations and through out the world, interviewed Steve Qualye. The bottom line is that Russia has given NATO 21 DAYS to Exit the Black Sea. Russia could destroy 18 NATO ships in Black Sea within 20 minutes
How old are you Evgeny, 15, 16? You seem to speak good English (for a Russian of your age), so I am bewildered by the fact that you are still schooling and already so ignorant in geography. Perhaps geography isnt taught in today's Russian schools? Lack of funds , or a politically incorrect discipline? Because if you know, if your school could afford (or was allowed to) to buy a map, you would probably notice that 60% of Blacke sea's coast belong to NATO members, and another 30%-- to potential NATO members. So get used for US Navy in Sevastopol. I don't think you'll scare it with that rusty can of yours.

September 1 in 9 hours 5 minutes in the morning local time in Sevastopol has reached U.S. Coast Guard ship «Dallas». At molu Sevastopol bay of thousands of protesters greeted the city's residents. They loudly chanted «Gou Home» and waved banners «NATO STOP!». The second «line of defense» took place on the Count's wharf, where the city also kept in the hands of posters and graffiti which demanded from the American warship get out of Sevastopol.

«Dallas» began on the sea station, which normally moor passenger ships. It was there, and former NATO warships arrived on a visit to Sevastopol. But now sevastopoltsy took siege fenced iron fence territory passenger port. At the dock there Grafskoy activists urban Internet forum, which brought here to replace rushnyk karavaya waxwork bombs for guests from the United States.

No transoceanic sailor did not venture to go ashore in the form. At my eyes to the «Dallas» took a group of people. They were dressed in beach and did not initially raised suspicions the protesters. However, since among them was a Negro and they rasstupilsya a police cordon, people recognize the Americans. A cry of outrage, expressed Could expression. Control order barely kept the crowd.

«My ship is in the same degree of alertness - said the commander« Dallas »before leaving - as the United States Navy ships located on alert in the Persian Gulf. The entire city - continued officer - sees us as aggressors rather pathetic attempt to persuade the authorities to the people that the visit of friendship, are just annoying citizens ». «I regret that brought the ship in Sevastopol for the sake of one's political ambitions», - concluded the commander of American storozhevika (materials site sevastopol.ws).

The words of captain - no exaggeration. By prishvartovannogo sides of the ship were American sailors in flak jackets and assault rifles ready.

«The Ukrainian authorities have proposed to Americans traveling to the tour in Sevastopol and on buses, but they feared. And on Monday evening organized a Yankee on board the ship buffet, which had command of the Ukrainian navy and border guards. Mitingovavshie as soon as the audio equipment and choked their songs «Victory Day» and «Come on, a huge country», - told the deputy gorsoveta Yevgeny Dubovik.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Virtual Su-30 shot down 16 billion dollars
Under the threat of disruption was a contract for 16 billion dollars for the purchase of Australia's 100 American planes 5 th generation F-35. As demonstrated by computer simulation of air combat between the F-35 and Russian Su-30, «Su-30» fair reviews overseas opponent.

Virtual fights fighters were played in August at an American airbase Hikem in Hawaii. They were attended by representatives from the Air Force of Australia. They submitted a secret report to the Defense Minister of his country Dzhoelu Fittsgibonu. And he has requested data on the performance characteristics of tactical F-35, to which, incidentally, Australia invests its money.

This secret information was «slit» in the Australian newspaper The Australian and The West Australian, causing a storm of outrage the public. Especially angry opposition, demanding an urgent review of plans for the purchase of American planes.

Draft Fighter 5 th generation JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) F-35 Lightning is the U.S. firm Lockheed Martin, with the participation of foreign partners, chief among them - Britain, Canada and Australia. The latter entered the draft in 2002, invested 221.28 million dollars to replace a 2010 mid-decade, its aging F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets are already quite obsolete F-111 on the machine XXI century. The final decision on the purchase of F-35 amounting to 16 billion dollars should be taken before the end of this year. This has led to debate.

Nearly Strike Fighter F-35 is still in the testing stage. The first sample model F-35A has committed some 50 flights. Now factories Lockheed Martin in the assembly are 19 cars, of which only 2 are considered to be serial. They should arrive by the U.S. Air Force in 2010.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It seems like you are using some kind of online translater to convert Russian media stories to English?

It success not too much as understand too hard to make point out what is.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

of course, the us would not 'walk' all over Russia.

But it is interesting to think about future conflicts with Russia.

Putin is smart and russians are tough, no doubt.

But when it comes to combined arms warfare, nobody can fight with the US, much less against us.

we dominate any company sized conflict or better.

it's not the superiority of the weapons, but rather, the communication, airlift, logistica, command and control that enables our military to dominate the battlefield.

the russians are getting better at it. they sent tank divisions into afghanistan and chechnya that were absolutely devastated. so their tactics in georgia were markedly improved. they have oil wealth, but not enough. frankly, im sprised they could pull together an entire division to do that operation in georgia.

they say the true mark of defeat is when a country exports it's women. i've been stuffing dollar bills into the gstrings of hot russian strippers for over a decade.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:58 am    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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But when it comes to combined arms warfare, nobody can fight with the US, much less against us.


Yes, thank God US skills saved South Vietnam and quickly put to bed the opposition in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:30 am    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Nickel wrote:
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Sorry to break your sarcasm but airplane was invented by a Russian citizen ( probably Pole or Ukrainian). My cousen's teacher was his great-granddaughter.
5propeller5propeller5propeller5propeller5propeller5propeller5propeller

There is a popular North American saying, " Ignarance iz blis"

Does this look like an aircraft to you?


Seriously though, I've seen people almost as ignorant as Canadians/Americans in South America, but you guys are genuinly proud of it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Does this look like an aircraft to you?

Frankly, it looks like a sausage factory.
Does this look like an airplane to you? --> 5propeller
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ALBY wrote:
of course, the us would not 'walk' all over Russia.
But it is interesting to think about future conflicts with Russia.
Putin is smart and russians are tough, no doubt.
But when it comes to combined arms warfare, nobody can fight with the US, much less against us.
we dominate any company sized conflict or better.
it's not the superiority of the weapons, but rather, the communication, airlift, logistica, command and control that enables our military to dominate the battlefield.
the russians are getting better at it. they sent tank divisions into afghanistan and chechnya that were absolutely devastated. so their tactics in georgia were markedly improved. they have oil wealth, but not enough. frankly, im sprised they could pull together an entire division to do that operation in georgia.
they say the true mark of defeat is when a country exports it's women. i've been stuffing dollar bills into the gstrings of hot russian strippers for over a decade.

Russian have something better.
Russian are smart and they are tough.
When they in a difficult situation, they not gonna cry, they will do some changes and will fight again.
Russian will fight and Russian will be a winners.
Probably it's like fight with pitbull .(where Russia pitbull)
Basicly USA don't have any chance to be a winner.
Basically in Russia we don't give a f..k about USA.(It exist or not.)
Don't f..k with us and you gonna be save.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Zhenya, there is a guy in Orel who paid 46000 roubles (thats almost 2000 in money ) to the doctor to have his lung punctured so he can avoid having his balls shot off by Chechens or Georgeans or beaten off by own teammates. The doctor did puncture his lung and the guy is a bit more Fark-ed up than he thought he will be. Care to comment about that?

Also please tell us what is your military status in Russia.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:38 am    Post subject: Re: US could walk all over Russia... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

evgeny wrote:
Russian have something better.
Russian are smart and they are tough.
When they in a difficult situation, they not gonna cry, they will do some changes and will fight again.
Russian will fight and Russian will be a winners.
Probably it's like fight with pitbull .(where Russia pitbull)
Basicly USA don't have any chance to be a winner.
Basically in Russia we don't give a f..k about USA.(It exist or not.)
Don't f..k with us and you gonna be save.

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