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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: "Unfair" Regulations Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

seahorse wrote:
PO is really a US driving problem, since it is the overconsumption by the US that is driving the issue.


It's interesting that we agree on this point. In that context, I'm curious what precisely you mean when you talk about "solving PO". What exactly constitutes a solution in your mind?

Personally, I don't see any impediment to solving the US driving problem entirely by conservation. Even today, a huge impact could be made by, for example:
1) Jamming people into existing vehicles by mandatory car pooling
2) Shopping-pooling (i.e. one person shopping for multiple households)
3) Telecommuting/Telepresence in all cases where it is possible

That's a huge chunk of oil right there, and it doesn't involve any large investment. So I don't buy into the Hirsch idea that we need 20 years and massive investment to prepare. Hirsch is operating under the assumption that we must maintain car culture business-as-usual. He devotes no attention whatsoever to conservation or changes in lifestyle.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: "Unfair" Regulations Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Personally, I don't see any impediment to solving the US driving problem entirely by conservation. Even today, a huge impact could be made by, for example:
1) Jamming people into existing vehicles by mandatory car pooling
2) Shopping-pooling (i.e. one person shopping for multiple households)
3) Telecommuting/Telepresence in all cases where it is possible

Even if the above listed conservations measures do the trick, the problem is, all of the above would require gov't legislation. In my opinion, there's zero chance of getting that type of legislation passed, thus, I'm a pessimist.

I therefore subscribe to Michael Klare's opinion that PO will be solved by the world through resource wars. In wars, Marshall law could be declared by the President which would mandate the above conservation measures.
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