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Heineken Expert


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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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Golly, there's a thought. Maybe the Bilderbergs chose her. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
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mos6507 Fusion

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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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| dunewalker wrote: |
I seriously doubt that McCain had much to do at all with the choice of running mate. |
He wouldn't have gone along with it if he felt it would have sabotaged his chances. This is the guy's last shot at the big seat. He's playing this one to win even more than Obama, who is young enough to easily try again a few more times (assuming the country lasts that long). _________________ http://doomsteaddiary.blogspot.com/ |
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GreyGhost Heavy Crude


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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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| mos6507 wrote: | | dunewalker wrote: |
I seriously doubt that McCain had much to do at all with the choice of running mate. |
He wouldn't have gone along with it if he felt it would have sabotaged his chances. This is the guy's last shot at the big seat. He's playing this one to win even more than Obama, who is young enough to easily try again a few more times (assuming the country lasts that long). |
I don't think anyone counts on getting more than one chance at the US presidency. Both candidates are equally playing it to win.
But whether McCain himself had a say in the choice of Palin: I'd say probably not. She was chosen mainly to pander to the womens vote, but also as an offering to the far right - she has much more connection with the old guard of ultra-conservatives who consider themselves the true republicans, with her extreme views on abortion and sex education and other issues. The hardcore conservatives never liked McCain, calling him a RINO (Republican In Name Only). |
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ClassicSpiderman Heavy Crude


Joined: Mar 16, 2006 Posts: 253 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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| lawnchair wrote: | | Is there a possibility that McCain is trying to throw the election? I thought that the day Palin was picked, and I'm thinking that today. Go down in history as an amusing anecdote on the way to the tragedy, rather than the protagonist? |
It would be in the best long-term political interests of the one center-right party (the Republicans) to LOSE this election on purpose. then purge the corrupted elements and form a completely new political party.
Let the Democrats take the blame for the economic collapse. |
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ClassicSpiderman Heavy Crude


Joined: Mar 16, 2006 Posts: 253 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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| Plantagenet wrote: | McCain is looking like somebody who's been in the Senate for 25 years.....he thinks its a big deal that he's going to go to DC and get in there and argue and vote and make the bill happen. He doesn't understand its a crappy bill.
Obama is looking like a President.....He's standing back and trying to understand the big picture and keeping his cool. Unfortunately, he also favors some form of this crazy rip off bill to prop up the fat cats on Wall Street. |
"Bipartisanship" is a code word for the ultimate Hegelian dialectic -- although 80% of the public is opposed to the bailout, the White House is pushing for it, and the majority opposition party (the Democrats) are going along with it inserting a few symbolic compromises. |
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vision-master Fusion


Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4867 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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 _________________ Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. |
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frankthetank Fusion


Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4936 Location: Southwest WI
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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I still don't get why Bush can't declare himself Prime Minister, like what Putin did? The USSA could then rise from the ashes. _________________ Clothing should be optional. |
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Nickel Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 1640 Location: The Canada of America
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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| dorlomin wrote: | | If swing voters percieve this as a grandstanding gesture its all over for McCain. |
What, like picking a nobody with 11 seconds of political experience as running mate just because she's a she and the Dems didn't pick Hillary? If that washed, what wouldn't? _________________ I can has cheezburger? |
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Nickel Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 1640 Location: The Canada of America
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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| americandream wrote: | | Open the doors of chaos and race hate, and you open the doors to hell in the form of national socialism. |
What are you talking about? What does effecting economic policies have to do with being Jewish, or Presbyterian, or Hindu, or having Donald Duck tattooed on your left buttock? _________________ I can has cheezburger? |
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Nickel Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 1640 Location: The Canada of America
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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| frankthetank wrote: | | I don't care for either, but McCain is looking very elderly lately, like he belongs in a nursing home. |
Yeah, it's like a plot to use McCain as the first-stage booster to get Palin into the White House. She's about the only person I can think of who's capable of making everyone look back to the GWB administration as "the good old days".
Canadians who remember the rehabilitation of Trudeau under Mulroney's watch will know what I mean. _________________ I can has cheezburger? |
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ROCKMAN Intermediate Crude


Joined: May 27, 2008 Posts: 976 Location: TEXAS
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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Regardless of McC's probable politcal positioning consider for a second: no Republican, including Bush, and no Democrate, except for BO, has the bully pulpit that McC has right now. I can't know what his plans are but he can scare the bejesus out of every member of the Congress now by promising to shine a bright light directly on that individual if he allows, in McC's opinion, the public to be screwed. If he threatens to get in front of every media outlet on Friday and proclaim that Congessman _______ is helping the Wall Street fat cats screw America then Mr. Congressman will kiss McC's butt till the sun comes up IMO.
Now, it is probably pure fantasy on my part to think this is Mc'c's plan. But remember: he's been treated like a red haired step child by most of Congress and the Whitehouse. And in my heart I feel he does have a very deep, but well hidden, desire for revenge as well as a legacy. I've known a few Navy aviators and they have all shared at least one common character: an ego that knows few boundaries. And I mean that in a complimentary way. |
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 6379 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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The dems control the Congress.
The dems just passed the federal budget, complete with thousands of earmarks, without even showing it to the republicans until an hour before the vote was held.
The dems will pass Bush's flawed bailout bill eventually.
The dems have already decided to do the bailout.....
Barney Frank was too stupid to know there was a male prostitute ring in his basement, but he's the guy the dems have running things for them in the house....Barney Frank and the rest of the dems just want to rope in few republican votes to go along with them. |
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FoolYap Heavy Crude


Joined: Sep 04, 2005 Posts: 446 Location: central MA, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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| ROCKMAN wrote: | | Now, it is probably pure fantasy on my part to think this is Mc'c's plan. |
If it's his plan, it's fantasy for him to think it'll work. John McCain has been using his Senate bully pulpit to bang the financial deregulation drum as strong or stronger than anyone while this mess formed.
So, how's that been working out? Maybe he'd like to discuss his role in this mess while he's on the pulpit? Assuming he takes any questions from the press in the audience, which seems increasingly unlikely lately.
--Steve |
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lper100km Heavy Crude


Joined: Jun 05, 2006 Posts: 254 Location: Over the tracks, left under the overpass, right, third boxcar on the left, ask for Jack
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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Just speculating here. It strikes me that suspending the campaign is a strange thing to do and that McC is using the current crisis as a cover for something. Maybe his health, maybe Palin, maybe he doesn’t want to debate. It sure doesn’t seem like a decision made from strength. I’m not versed in the subtleties of the USA electoral system, but two scenarios come to mind.
1) Supposing McC, for whatever reason, is unable to continue until November and has to retire himself before the vote is taken. There is no presidential candidate for the Repubs. Is that an acclaim for Obama?
2) Supposing McC is actually elected in Nov. but has to retire before taking the oath of office. What happens then? Are there stipulated procedures already in place or does GWB wing it and give himself an auto extension? |
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lawnchair Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: McCain suspends campaign for 'historic' crisis |
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| lper100km wrote: |
1) Supposing McC, for whatever reason, is unable to continue until November and has to retire himself before the vote is taken. There is no presidential candidate for the Repubs. Is that an acclaim for Obama? |
Electoral college electors are entirely free to cast their votes at whim. If enough dissenting electors are chosen and can agree on an alternative, it could be anyone eligible (35, natural-born, not having served the majority of two terms already).
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2) Supposing McC is actually elected in Nov. but has to retire before taking the oath of office. What happens then? Are there stipulated procedures already in place or does GWB wing it and give himself an auto extension? |
20th Amendment, 3rd section says that the VP-elect will be sworn in. _________________ At 1% annual growth, human bodies will incorporate every gram in the observable universe in approximately 10,170 years. |
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