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cualcrees
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 Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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From the article:
"It's definitely a bad report. We did pick up little bit from last year, but this is over 30 percent below what used to be normal," said Walt Meier, a research scientist with the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado."
This just breaks my heart! 
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sicophiliac
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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| This is just a crazy thought I had but would it be plausible to relocate the polar bears and perhaps other animals from the arctic to the colder antarctic to sustain their populations are the ice sheet melts away in the north? The antarctic ice is growing in fact and is expected to remain cold for quite sometime despite global warming. |
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mefistofeles
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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| I wonder how long it will be until the people start eating one another? |
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dorlomin
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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| sicophiliac wrote: | | This is just a crazy thought I had but would it be plausible to relocate the polar bears and perhaps other animals from the arctic to the colder antarctic to sustain their populations are the ice sheet melts away in the north? The antarctic ice is growing in fact and is expected to remain cold for quite sometime despite global warming. |
That would introduce a mamalian land predator into an ecosystem that does not really have one. It would mean that many of the spieces there would be virtualy wiped out. |
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StuckInPhilly
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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| mefistofeles wrote: | | I wonder how long it will be until the people start eating one another? |
I wish that they would.
Human cannibalism would be far less upsetting.
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ProudFossil
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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| cualcrees wrote: | From the article:
"It's definitely a bad report. We did pick up little bit from last year, but this is over 30 percent below what used to be normal," said Walt Meier, a research scientist with the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado."
This just breaks my heart!
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I hate to break the sad news to you but all bears, especially the larger ones, the polar, grizzley, and Kodiac, all practise cannabalism. And they have EVER SINCE THEY EVOLVED.
All female bears have to protect their young from other bears. It has long been thought that males eat young bears, even their own offspring, to protect their genetic line and to prevent future encounters with rivals. For the idiotic GW people to say this is something new is absolutely ridiculous.
Many carnivores, especially the non-pack ones such as leopards, tigers, etc., practise cannabilism. Even pack animals will kill and eat offspring if they offspring is born to a lesser female in the pack. |
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ProudFossil
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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| sicophiliac wrote: | | This is just a crazy thought I had but would it be plausible to relocate the polar bears and perhaps other animals from the arctic to the colder antarctic to sustain their populations are the ice sheet melts away in the north? The antarctic ice is growing in fact and is expected to remain cold for quite sometime despite global warming. |
And what do you do with the penguins who have no defense against the polar bears? They would be extinct within one year. Nice way to handle overpopulation.
And then the bears would starve.
Gets rid of a bunch of species real quick. Smart move. NOT!!! |
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StuckInPhilly
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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| ProudFossil wrote: | | cualcrees wrote: | From the article:
"It's definitely a bad report. We did pick up little bit from last year, but this is over 30 percent below what used to be normal," said Walt Meier, a research scientist with the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado."
This just breaks my heart!
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I hate to break the sad news to you but all bears, especially the larger ones, the polar, grizzley, and Kodiac, all practise cannabalism. And they have EVER SINCE THEY EVOLVED.
All female bears have to protect their young from other bears. It has long been thought that males eat young bears, even their own offspring, to protect their genetic line and to prevent future encounters with rivals. For the idiotic GW people to say this is something new is absolutely ridiculous.
Many carnivores, especially the non-pack ones such as leopards, tigers, etc., practise cannabilism. Even pack animals will kill and eat offspring if they offspring is born to a lesser female in the pack. |
Yes, females have to protect their young from males who might kill them and babies are sometimes killed and eaten by their own mothers, I'm aware of these things.
Does this make everything else a-okay and business as usual ... I think not.
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ProudFossil
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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| StuckInPhilly wrote: | Yes, females have to protect their young from males who might kill them and babies are sometimes killed and eaten by their own mothers, I'm aware of these things.
Does this make everything else a-okay and business as usual ... I think not. |
So are you saying you are better at managing nature than Mother Nature? I think not. She has done quite well for the last 3.5 billion years. It is only when people like you start putting human values and emotions on her workings that things get all screwed up. It is only by our standards that these behaviors are not a-okay or not the proper business as usual.
Do I like seeing a baby bear or coyote or mouse being eaten by a male or the mother? No. But I also do not grieve over it. We have bird feeders around our house. At times they become targets of hawks. So we quit feeding the birds for a while until the hawks move on. Then the birds come back. But we also know that hawks have to live and so we expect them to return also. We do not moan and groan about the outcome(s). |
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coyote
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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Hey, PF... the polar bears are starving. Because their habitat is shrinking. Because the planet is warming. It's what's happening. Deal with it.
And the goal is not to manage nature. The goal is to leave her the hell alone for a change.
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StuckInPhilly
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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| ProudFossil wrote: | | StuckInPhilly wrote: | Yes, females have to protect their young from males who might kill them and babies are sometimes killed and eaten by their own mothers, I'm aware of these things.
Does this make everything else a-okay and business as usual ... I think not. |
So are you saying you are better at managing nature than Mother Nature? I think not. She has done quite well for the last 3.5 billion years. It is only when people like you start putting human values and emotions on her workings that things get all screwed up. It is only by our standards that these behaviors are not a-okay or not the proper business as usual.
Do I like seeing a baby bear or coyote or mouse being eaten by a male or the mother? No. But I also do not grieve over it. We have bird feeders around our house. At times they become targets of hawks. So we quit feeding the birds for a while until the hawks move on. Then the birds come back. But we also know that hawks have to live and so we expect them to return also. We do not moan and groan about the outcome(s). |
You're apparently reading some one else's post - I did not say anything remotely about me or any other human managing mother nature better or even half-way decently.
Humans have a long history of screwing up the environment in many places. Destroying other species and their habitats is one of our specialties.
Mankind is an animal - the real tragedy is that he is an animal without a decent predator to check his numbers.
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ReverseEngineer
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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| StuckInPhilly wrote: | Humans have a long history of screwing up the environment in many places. Destroying other species and their habitats is one of our specialties.
Mankind is an animal - the real tragedy is that he is an animal without a decent predator to check his numbers. |
Such is the moral dilemma of being at the top of the food chain. Once you have consumed everything around you, you consume each other.
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mos6507
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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| ReverseEngineer wrote: |
Such is the moral dilemma of being at the top of the food chain. Once you have consumed everything around you, you consume each other.
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I guess these guys have the right idea then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxT95_9cXI8
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:38 am Post subject: Re: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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| cualcrees wrote: | From the article:
"It's definitely a bad report. We did pick up little bit from last year, but this is over 30 percent below what used to be normal," said Walt Meier, a research scientist with the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado."
This just breaks my heart! |
Don't cry baby, that's just recycled climate p.rn garbage.
Check the list here, it's no news : http://numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: Re: Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks |
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| dorlomin wrote: | | sicophiliac wrote: | | This is just a crazy thought I had but would it be plausible to relocate the polar bears and perhaps other animals from the arctic to the colder antarctic to sustain their populations are the ice sheet melts away in the north? The antarctic ice is growing in fact and is expected to remain cold for quite sometime despite global warming. |
That would introduce a mamalian land predator into an ecosystem that does not really have one. It would mean that many of the spieces there would be virtualy wiped out. |
That is if the bears didn't die of starvation anyway because the southern seals have a different lifestyle and breeding strategy and the bears may not get round to recognising penguins as food.
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