Oil's energy contribution has declined by about 12% since 1999. The world's economies have also declined by about 12%. (Using conventional metrics, which are time delayed determinations, this will only be seen in hind sight). The massive destruction of asset values now occurring testifies to it happening.
Peak is well behind us, world economies have peaked and will continue to decline.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Why so many CC/GW articles?
I totally disagree.
First, then you could say the same about any of the financial stuff or geopolitical stuff.
I want to see all of them here, even if it's not strictly PO, it what's the world move today and in one or the other sense it is very much related to PO.
This is especially true with GW and CC. As it has it's same roots - burning of too much fossil fuels. And both problems could have been solved the same way (maybe 20 years ago).
Both topics have a very close relationship.
It's quite strange to find so many deniers of GW here in the forum.
If there is so much scientific evidence of GW, well as a non scientist I must agree. And I guess most scientist have a good live and not only those studying GW, this is the crap deniers tell you that they want only to protect their jobs etc., but there are so many deniers who are paid and want to protect their jobs as well.
I guess govenrnment propaganda did a real good job.
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Why so many CC/GW articles?
alokin wrote:
I totally disagree.
First, then you could say the same about any of the financial stuff or geopolitical stuff.
Absolutely. Someone needs to go crank up herecomesarecession.com or something to get the faithful all scurrying over there.
alokin wrote:
I want to see all of them here, even if it's not strictly PO, it what's the world move today and in one or the other sense it is very much related to PO.
Thats what people want to pretend anyway.
alokin wrote:
It's quite strange to find so many deniers of GW here in the forum.
No stranger than finding people who came here interested in one topic and we then get stuck in the middle of mid thread topic changes because of people trying to link everything from the faked moon landings and 9/11 to peak oil.
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: Why so many CC/GW articles?
alokin wrote:
I totally disagree.
First, then you could say the same about any of the financial stuff or geopolitical stuff.
Nonsense. First, I don't care about the forums. I'm talking about posted articles on the splash page.
Second, GW is completely detached from PO in terms of how it affects people. Geopolitical stuff is not, and is often related to PO. Same with financial stuff. Oil at 150 makes all financial stuff related to PO.
GW is not related at all.
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It's quite strange to find so many deniers of GW here in the forum.
Son, I am a scientist, and I'd make you look like an intellectual chimp if we discussed this in person, so why must you insist on using unscientific words to spam those more understanding of the issue than you? _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Why so many CC/GW articles?
Once more: there is a strong relationship between PO and GW. Because because both problems are related to our lifestyle: reproduce like mad, consume like mad and burn fossil fuels like mad. The outcome is one: GW and second Oh, we're running out of oil!
If you are a scientist that's nice, but that does not mean that you know more about GW than any average person you could be a quantum mechanic or a fluid scientist and that really does not have anything to do with GW.
Mostly if you look closer at the deniers, at their biography etc. you really can often find something or many things which does not make them very credible.
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Why so many CC/GW articles?
alokin wrote:
Once more: there is a strong relationship between PO and GW.
Saying it repeatedly doesn't make it any less nonsensical. Fossil fuel depletion is the eventual CURE to excessive carbon dioxide emissions.
It's kind of like
Infinite + 1 = Infinite
Peak Oil Problem + Global Warming Problem = Peak Oil Problem
If mankind does not adequately deal with fossil fuel depletion, civilization as we know it will not be around to suffer the full eventual consequences of global warming.
Some weirdo coined the expression, "How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time." The first bite is peak oil. If we choke on that, forget about eating the rest of the elephant.
I'm tired of the climate change/global warming news as well, and feel strongly that it detracts from peakoil.com's ability to get the word out to the masses. We know the issue is there, the evidence is pretty damning in my opinion, but it's not the most important matter.
This is not overshoot.com or globalwarmingcrisis.com. It's peakoil.com! The news on the site's main page should focus squarely on the issue at hand.
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