Oil's energy contribution has declined by about 12% since 1999. The world's economies have also declined by about 12%. (Using conventional metrics, which are time delayed determinations, this will only be seen in hind sight). The massive destruction of asset values now occurring testifies to it happening.
Peak is well behind us, world economies have peaked and will continue to decline.
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: The issue of depopulation and Hitlerism
mercurygirl wrote:
Ludi wrote:
Just wondering what the value is in discussing imaginary bioweapons.
Sadly, they are not imaginary. Genetically targeted weapons may be, but I'm sure experiments are under way.
They have been underway since at least 1998. Defense Sec Cohen publicly stated that he knew of at least two countries working on such weapons. It is believed that one of the countries is Isreal working on an *ethnic bomb* There was some speculation that S Africa was the other before the whites were ousted from power.
Cohen also believes they will be the weapon of choice in coming conflicts.
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: The issue of depopulation and Hitlerism
ReverseEngineer wrote:
Pretorian wrote:
Have you lost friends to Alzheimar's desease too, by any chance? It'd be a scientific breakthrough if you did.
May I ask if you believe that a man is superior to a dog? And why would a commie like you choose New Zealand over Soviet Union, Cuba, or China? Donuts are sweeter in NZ?
MOST men are superior to dogs. Some however do not even make it into the vertebrates, much less canines or mammals. Not quite sure where you are on the evolutionary ladder, though it is definitely below dogs:-)
Reverse Engineer
I did not ask you, in case you didnt notice, since your opinion is of no interest to me , at least not on this topic. But since your uninvited rostrum is here anyway, I want to ask you this:
You've mentioned multiple times that when TSHTF you will be out there distributing your hoard (s) to little children . Don't you think that if you did become a trader (assuming that , ridiculously as it sounds, that your math talent would suffice and your ass weren't chased off after a first week or two ) you'd be better prepared to take care of those children of yours? That the money you didnt make just went to fund someone's yacht ? And now N number of children will die because of this? Do you really think that teaching a discipline which will never be used by 97% of your pupils ( or perhaps by 50%, if you teach arithmetics ) is worth all those extra lives you will not save because of your volontiered misery?
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: Re: The issue of depopulation and Hitlerism
Pretorian wrote:
americandream wrote:
[ Lost lots of friends to suicide, alcohol, self inflicted shootings and road accidents and I hate racism with a passion.
Have you lost friends to Alzheimar's desease too, by any chance? It'd be a scientific breakthrough if you did.
May I ask if you believe that a man is superior to a dog? And why would a commie like you choose New Zealand over Soviet Union, Cuba, or China? Donuts are sweeter in NZ?
Since when does a twat like you tell me where to live? Oh yeah, aren't you one of those red necks who lectured us about the free market?......HAHAHA.
Yeah right! _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
Joined: Oct 18, 2004 Posts: 2130 Location: kiwibush
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: The issue of depopulation and Hitlerism
Pretorian wrote:
I did not tell you where to live, what I said is that you are a hypocritic cun.t, same as every single schmoe out of that commie filth of yours.
As a concession to this forum's rules, I shall mildly put it to you Sir, as so-called free marketeer, that you are no position, ONE TRILLION TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS LATER, to term my communitarian ideas, filth.
It is your bogus ideology that stands before us, accused of lying for PERSONAL GAIN.
NB: Edited for typos. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
Joined: Dec 25, 2005 Posts: 607 Location: Hillsboro, West Virginia
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: The issue of depopulation and Hitlerism
MonteQuest wrote:
ANewHuman wrote:
Indeed you do, but yes you are not "normal". You have also been labeled some of the things I mentioned have you not?
Yep. Montequest, the Nazi misanthrope.
The solutions available are intolerable, anomalous, and "icky."
You are not a Nazi, and the Nazis were not misanthropists.
MonteQuest wrote:
CherBear1983 wrote:
I agree that overpopulation is the biggest problem of all, and one that nobody seems to be addressing. I think it would be better if we took depopulation into our own hands, before the die-off takes care of it for us. Although at this point in time, I think it's probably too late for that.
Yes, as I have written. It's too late to avoid a die-off of some degree no matter what we do.
Our best hope is to preserve carrying capacity as much as possible by powering down and reducing population to reduce the severity of the correction and the decimation that goes with a massive die-off.
It's not about saving people, it's about saving the species by saving the earth's ability to support us.
Very good! Okay, I take back what I said about your not being a Nazi. Maybe you are. If you can see that a species is greater than its individual members, and that therefore it is proper that individual liberty be sacrificed to racial survival, if necessary, rather than the reverse, then maybe you can see a few other things, too: that some people are more valuable than others, that some races are more capable, more intelligent, etc., than others.
But there is something you don't see yet, and that is the self-defeating nature of voluntary population control. It has two failure modes. In one of them, the willingness to limit births weeds itself out of the component of the domestic population that does the limiting, and natural selection favors the "socially irresponsible" folks who are more fecund. In the other failure mode, a country that in the short run successfully limits its birthrate and reduces its population becomes vulnerable to military conquest and perhaps complete extermination by a more populous, aggressive neighbor country.
The right way to limit population is war, and the best war is low-tech war because it favors the strong and the smart over the weak and the stupid; because it favors the dexterous over the clumsy; because it favors those with much stamina over those with little. Excess population is not a problem if you simply keep using it to fight wars to expand the racial homeland territory. In fact, since that's exactly what other races will probably do, the only chance ours has is to do likewise, except do it better.
Read Hardin. Read Hitler. They don't contradict each other, not at all.
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: The issue of depopulation and Hitlerism
I was just watching a permaculture video where someone was producing around 70 percent of their annual food consumption on a 1/10 acre. I am sure that yield could be increased. I imagine potatoes growing in stacks three hundred feet high in the air.
It's too bad we nuked Mr. Tanaka in Hiroshima since he had designed a fusion generator. Think of all the countless lives lost from our planned execution.
Joined: Jul 15, 2008 Posts: 35 Location: Daegu, South Korea
Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: Re: The issue of depopulation and Hitlerism
Itsallcomindown wrote:
Wow, so i just read like the first 4 pages and then skipped ahead to the 18th. A New Human and MonteQuest are absolutely correct. Posters such as MrBill and CherBear are dead and don't know it yet.
This is partly why I stopped coming to this website ... 90% of the people who post here were blessed with psychic abilities and I guess I'm just jealous. Oh, and the gift of immortality because apparently I'm going to die and you aren't.
Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 6786 Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: Re: The issue of depopulation and Hitlerism
Jack wrote:
Americandream, Pretorian - control your language.
When Pretorian is involved, it's really hard to do, Jack. He's intolerable. _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:03 am Post subject: Re: The issue of depopulation and Hitlerism
Zardoz wrote:
Jack wrote:
Americandream, Pretorian - control your language.
When Pretorian is involved, it's really hard to do, Jack. He's intolerable.
Zardoz, I suggest you consider the philosophical underpinnings of freedom of speech.
It does not exist to protect agreeable discourse. Rather, it exists to protect unpopular viewpoints and their spokesmen.
If Pretorian is censored, or shouted down - who comes next?
And if this forum is reduced to an internet-based shouting match, of what value is it?
You're an intelligent poster who makes valuable contributions to the site. Therefore, you efforts in maintaining some civility - even though it is hard to do so - are appreciated. _________________ Dieoff. Fun to watch. Better with hot buttered popcorn!
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13195 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:11 am Post subject: Re: The issue of depopulation and Hitlerism
Nobody can be "shouted down" on a messageboard. The post is there no matter how loudly anyone else types!
_________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 6786 Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: The issue of depopulation and Hitlerism
Jack wrote:
...And if this forum is reduced to an internet-based shouting match, of what value is it?
Not much, of course.
That's why so many forums simply will not put up with even the mildest sort of rudeness. Many forums ban the IPs of posters at the slightest hint of incivility. They have zero tolerance for it.
Here, the tolerance is pretty close to being infinite. Some of the most demeaning, insulting, sarcastic posters often get congratulated by others on their behavior. Rocc is, or was, a classic example. The nasty personal insult was his stock-in-trade, yet he had what amounted to a loyal following.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the right place to be would be somewhere in between the two extremes. Granted, it's tough to find the sweet spot, but still... _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: The issue of depopulation and Hitlerism
Zardoz wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the right place to be would be somewhere in between the two extremes. Granted, it's tough to find the sweet spot, but still...
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