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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:01 am    Post subject: State transportation bonds unsalable. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

State of Maine told that "there is simply no market for bonds of this size at this time".

Maine Today (Press-Herald)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: State transportation bonds unsalable. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Governments, from city level up, are going to have to do some reassessing of their priorities, and spending habits.
Too bad that it takes a financial situation as serious as this one to make them wake up and take action.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: State transportation bonds unsalable. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Maybe this is a good thing. In the post peak era of declining VMT it is time to stop expanding road capacity on credit and start maintaining the most important parts of the existing infrastructure on a pay as you go basis.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:07 am    Post subject: Re: State transportation bonds unsalable. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ferretlover wrote:
Governments, from city level up, are going to have to do some reassessing of their priorities, and spending habits.
Too bad that it takes a financial situation as serious as this one to make them wake up and take action.
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

"Suburbia will collapse not because we couldn't afford fuel but because we couldn't afford to maintain the roadways."
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:57 am    Post subject: Re: State transportation bonds unsalable. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

We don't have much suburbia here in Maine. There are miles of roads to nowhere however that have been maintained until now.

They are used to get wood out of the forests. A lot of them will go back to gravel roads I suppose.

It will be really bad for the state's roads if we can't fix them. I think we'll be in real trouble in a year or two. They are in really bad shape now.

This is just a symptom of the credit crisis. Here in Maine we never really had good times, so the slide into depression won't be much of a shock.

It's going to happen where you live soon. Then it will really get interesting.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: State transportation bonds unsalable. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Revi wrote:
This is just a symptom of the credit crisis. Here in Maine we never really had good times, so the slide into depression won't be much of a shock.


Very true.

People who weren't living beyond their means won't be as negatively affected.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:31 am    Post subject: Re: State transportation bonds unsalable. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

TommyJefferson wrote:
Revi wrote:
This is just a symptom of the credit crisis. Here in Maine we never really had good times, so the slide into depression won't be much of a shock.


Very true.

People who weren't living beyond their means won't be as negatively affected.

until they lose their 'means' altogether.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: State transportation bonds unsalable. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

nobodypanic wrote:
until they lose their 'means' altogether.


Wrong. I've been poor, very poor. It's not as bad as everyone thinks.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: State transportation bonds unsalable. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think what will happen on the State and Municipal level is very interesting. Already, for instance, in Colorado the governor said (I heard it on the radio) that spending will have to come down right away, except for the current road projects.

I am expecting there to develop a huge problem with the number of police that local municipalities are employing. I don't think that they can crack down and write enough tickets to cover the loss of the ability of the municipalities to sell bonds. They are bound to try it for a while, though. I guess we are going to see things like every other week trash collection. What does everybody think is coming?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:49 am    Post subject: Re: State transportation bonds unsalable. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

TommyJefferson wrote:
nobodypanic wrote:
until they lose their 'means' altogether.


Wrong. I've been poor, very poor. It's not as bad as everyone thinks.

and how does that make me wrong? as long as you'd be living worse, then it's a 'negative impact', so i am right.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: State transportation bonds unsalable. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

evilgenius wrote:
What does everybody think is coming?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: State transportation bonds unsalable. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

TommyJefferson wrote:
nobodypanic wrote:
until they lose their 'means' altogether.


Wrong. I've been poor, very poor. It's not as bad as everyone thinks.

Except when you were poor, the vast majority of the population weren't.

Things will likely be different when it is the majority of the population that is poor.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: State transportation bonds unsalable. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think the depression is not going to be any fun at all, but what are we going to do about it?

I hope they fix some of the roads around here before the money runs out completely. They are hard to drive on now.

Wait until the base is wrecked. You can only patch them for so long, and then if it breaks through to the base you may as well just chip the road up and start over. We're getting there. I predict that they will only keep a few major roads and let the rest go soon.
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