Runaway Global Warming has arrived

Cid_Yama

I see Idiot is now back.

I'll be back to slap you down after the football games.
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bluekachina · Coal Joined: Aug 12, 2008 Posts: 4

jbrovont · Intermediate Crude Joined: Jun 16, 2006 Posts: 701

lmao

I'll be back to watch

xironman · Tar Sands Joined: Mar 13, 2007 Posts: 36

miniTAX,

You just posted a graphic by some unpublished guy working for the coal industry

About Monte Hieb:
Title: Chief Engineer
Organization: West Virginia Office of Miners Health Safety and Training

We are supposed to take that seriously?

Shannymara

Hermes is a good friend of mine IRL. He is sincere, and he's just asking questions to try and understand what's going on. Jeez.
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miniTAX

Cid_Yama

Data are data, what the heck does the guy who publish them has to do with their "seriousness"?

Well, that sums it up completely. When you lack even the the most rudimentary critical thinking skills, how could you be expected to comprehend anything?

gone, games back on
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Hermes

Cid_Yama · Last edited by Cid_Yama on Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:07 pm; edited 1 time in total

Hermes,

We engage in DEBATE here. This is not some Flowers and Sunshine Friendship Club. I come to the Debate prepared with supporting documentation to back my position. Idiots like miniTax, come with nothing more than their opinion and occasionally corporate PR passed off as 'scientific'.

You need a tougher hide or find a friendly chat room.

And Yes, I DO have an agenda; to squash disinformation and to educate.

If the current understanding of the top researchers most knowledgable of the situation is too hard a truth for you, go back to sleep.

MiniTax's opinion is not 'equal' to their findings.

This idea that all opinions deserve equal consideration is nonsense, and spouted by those that haven't a clue what they are talking about. The sooner you learn that, the better off you will be.

Honesty is not always friendly. Sometimes it's brutal. Don't judge the truth by how pretty a vase it comes in.
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Hermes

Cid:

Actually I did look at the documentation, and I judge your conclusions to be wrong.

It wasn't because I lent equal weight to an unworthy opinion as you insinuate. It wasn't because it came in a "pretty vase" either (as though a great extinction event could be seen as a "pretty vase").

Rather it was because after working through all of this I have seen your arguments for what they are: a loosely strung together series of cherry-picked extremes that MIGHT happen... rather than something that's likely to happen let alone a certainty. I have then looked through your postings for a likely cause of this, and have figured out what's at the root of it.

Sorry.

And you will never in your life know how tough my hide actually is, so don't pat yourself on the back supposing you believe I can't take it. I choose to be cordial online for a variety of reasons... until someone has clearly shown that they deserve otherwise like yourself.

In fact trying to turn around my pointing you out for being rude and denigrating and morphing it into my being unable to "take the heat" is contemptible. Bullying others who disagree with you isn't "DEBATE", and I don't fall for it.

Good luck with your football and drunken stupors, old man.
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Cid_Yama · Last edited by Cid_Yama on Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:51 pm; edited 1 time in total

a loosely strung together series of cherry-picked extremes that MIGHT happen... rather than something that's likely to happen let alone a certainty.

Bullcrap. The heart of my position is that the top researchers studying the subsea permafrost (all of them) have witnessed the massive release of methane from the Arctic seabed. According to their best estimates, we are about to experience a catastrophic release of methane into the atmosphere.

The warming effects of methane is well known and not in question.

The mechanism of positive feedback as it applies to global warming, is well known and not in question.

What Paleoclimatologist understand of previous incidents of warming is generally accepted. Contrary to some of the nonsense that has been spouted around here.

If you want to challenge any of these positions, do so. Provide documentation to support your position.

Your 'Opinion' that I am 'wrong' is meaningless.
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Valdemar

I have to agree with Cid. If you find fault with his conclusions, then please provide evidence and your reasoning. Don't resort to "I think you're wrong. Let's agree to disagree" bullshit. If we're just going to opine, then I recommend we just go to the Hall of Flames and have at it instead.

I say the Rapture is coming and you heathens are all going to be gunned down by TEH LAWD. There, prove me wrong.
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Hermes

Valdemar:

I believe that the information is largely contained in this thread. If you've read through the whole thread and you agree with Cid, then more power to you. On the other hand if you have not read through it and accuse me of pulling a conclusion out of thin air then that's sloppy on your part.

For my part I have read everything put forth (and much more) and come to a different conclusion. So be it.

Agreeing to disagree isn't bullshit. It is what it is. People can't tell me with 100% certainty what the weather will be tomorrow in my town or not. How can they tell me that global warming will certainly wipe out all life on earth - a magnificently harder thing to accurately predict.

I have put forth various questions I had with Cid's conclusions, which Cid hasn't answered to my satisfaction (if answered at all). Such being the case it's not too crazy that I don't agree with his conclusions.

I believe that global warming will continue, and that it will probably start a transition to a new world ("hothouse earth" type place). I believe the process of transition will be horrible for most if not almost all people and animals on the earth. I very much do believe in huge effects of global warming.

At the same time I believe that some humans and animals will survive and thrive. I believe it will PROBABLY not bring about the end of life on earth.

I absolutely validate what Cid's putting forth as a slight possibility. The issue here is that Cid sees his side as a certainty, which upon further consideration on my part has turned out to be wrong, and therein lies the thorn in his side.
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Cid_Yama

At the same time I believe that some humans and animals will survive and thrive. I believe it will PROBABLY not bring about the end of life on earth.

There you go, that's your hypothesis. Now go out and research your position, and when you can provide documentation that supports your position, bring it back here and present it.

That is how science works. That is how critical thinking works.

Your 'opinion' is meaningless. A reasoned counter-position with supporting documentation would not be.
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