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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

BBC: Video

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The wars of the next few decades could be fought over access to water, say some analysts.

Reports come from Peter Greste in Kenya, Duncan Kennedy in Mexico City, Nick Bryant in Sydney and Aleem Maqbool in the West Bank

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Economist: We all know we need oil... now there is worry about water

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“WATER is the oil of the 21st century,” declares Andrew Liveris, the chief executive of Dow, a chemical company. Like oil, water is a critical lubricant of the global economy. And as with oil, supplies of water—at least, the clean, easily accessible sort—are coming under enormous strain because of the growing global population and an emerging middle-class in Asia that hankers for the water-intensive life enjoyed by people in the West.

Oil prices have fallen from their recent peaks, but concerns about the availability of freshwater show no sign of abating. Goldman Sachs, an investment bank, estimates that global water consumption is doubling every 20 years, which it calls an “unsustainable” rate of growth. Water, unlike oil, has no substitute. Climate change is altering the patterns of freshwater availability in complex ways that can lead to more frequent and severe droughts.

Untrammelled industrialisation, particularly in poor countries, is contaminating rivers and aquifers. America’s generous subsidies for biofuel have increased the harvest of water-intensive crops that are now used for energy as well as food. And heavy subsidies for water in most parts of the world mean it is often grossly underpriced—and hence squandered.

All of this poses a problem, first and foremost, for human welfare. At the annual World Water Week conference in Stockholm this week, delegates focused on measures to extend access to clean water and sanitation to the world’s poor. But it also poses a problem for industry. “For businesses, water is not discretionary,” says Dominic Waughray of the World Economic Forum, a think-tank. “Without it, industry and the global economy falter.”


OF2, maybe we should call the CEO of Dow and let him know that there is plenty of water falling in Florida the last few days?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

how does anyone that dumb get to be a ceo?

is he being deliberately misleading or just too lazy to do some research?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:49 am    Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hah, so glad I moved back to New England from Los Angeles. It's raining outside as I type right now.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:08 am    Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

kiwichick wrote:
how does anyone that dumb get to be a ceo?

is he being deliberately misleading or just too lazy to do some research?


Please explain whether or not you are being ironic. I can't really understand why the CEO of Dow (with whom I have no relation whatsoever, personal or otherwise) is being dumb, misleading or lazy?

The Economist wrote:
Since 1995 Dow has reduced the amount of water it uses per tonne of output by over a third


From the same article quoted by wisconsin_cur above.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

hi carlosferreira ; like i said too lazy to do the research

to quote Warren Buffett"shut up and speculate"
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Among the challenges facing the next president, few are more complex—scientifically, politically, and economically—than the unsustainable global demands on fresh water supplies. Sources are drying up in the US and worldwide, raising the specters of hunger, disease, and international conflict. No one has a clearer view of these issues than Peter Gleick, president and cofounder of the Pacific Institute, an Oakland, California-based environmental think tank. So what will the new president need to understand about water? Here are eight slides from Gleick's hypothetical PowerPoint presentation.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:37 am    Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

wisconsin_cur, I love your avatar!

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MOST people may drink only two litres of water a day, but they consume about 3,000 if the water that goes into their food is taken into account. The rich gulp down far more, since they tend to eat more meat, which takes far more water to produce than grains. So as the world’s population grows and incomes rise, farmers will—if they use today’s methods—need a great deal more water to keep everyone fed: 2,000 more cubic kilometres a year by 2030, according to the International Water Management Institute (IWMI), a research centre, or over a quarter more than they use today. Yet in many farming regions, water is scarce and likely to get scarcer as global warming worsens. The world is facing not so much a food crisis as a water crisis, argues Colin Chartres, IWMI’s director-general.



The world has a water shortage, not a food shortage

Nasty, if you think about it. We're all focused on oil and food, and this might just be out there to bite us earlier. A history teacher of mine, some 10 years ago, used to say WWIII would be for water resources.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:46 am    Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Rainwater tanks, 10 000 to 20 000 litres, attached to roof runnoff gutters.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:51 am    Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Would help. Not big watertanks, but some capacity to hold water would help.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Orlando is growing quickly and we are expected to exceed the ability of the aquifer to supply our needs of water.
Not an attack at you, Troy, but rather at all of us human beings, that we'll never ever cease to propagate, even presented with the simpliest of facts: we don't have enough water.
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...is one of only two major rivers in the world that runs North.
Sorry to burst your bubble. River Direction. Believe in what you read on the internet at your own risk, of course.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:22 am    Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ca to cut water deliveries to farms and cities by 85%

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. – California said Thursday that it plans to cut water deliveries to their second-lowest level ever next year, raising the prospect of rationing for cities and less planting by farmers.
The Department of Water Resources projects that it will deliver just 15 percent of the amount that local water agencies throughout California request every year.
Since the first State Water Project deliveries were made in 1962, the only time less water was promised was in 1993, but heavy precipitation that year ultimately allowed agencies to receive their full requests.
The reservoirs that are most crucial to the state's water delivery system are at their lowest levels since 1977, after two years of dry weather and court-ordered restrictions on water pumping out of the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta. This year, water agencies received just 35 percent of the water they requested.
Farmers in the Central Valley say they'll be forced to fallow fields, while cities from the San Francisco Bay area to San Diego might have to require residents to ration water.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:10 am    Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Guardian: Is water the new oil?

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The farmers in Wadi Faynan are not alone. Like communities around the world, they are paying the price for thousands of years of exploitation of our environment. Already, 1bn people do not have enough clean water to drink, and at least 2bn cannot rely on adequate water to drink, clean and eat - let alone have enough left for nature. Lack of water is blamed for many of the world's most distressing crises: millions of deaths each year from disease and malnutrition, chronic hunger, keeping children away from schools which offer hope of a better life. Mostly it is the poor who suffer, but increasingly rich nations are struggling, too. Australia has endured so many dry years that a leading climatologist has said it's time to stop saying 'gripped by drought' and accept that the lack of rain is permanent.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Govt report: conflicts of the future over water

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"The world of the near future will be subject to an increased likelihood of conflict over resources, including food and water, and will be haunted by the persistence of rogue states and terrorist groups with greater access to nuclear weapons," said the report by the National Intelligence Council.

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