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Timelines of the Great Depression

 
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deMolay
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:57 am    Post subject: Timelines of the Great Depression Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

From the time the Market crashed in Oct 1929, it took until April 1930 for the full effects to become apparent. I think what we are seeing is a synergy of more than just markets. Energy costs, food prices, money markets, debt, energy wars, climate factors etc. All acting in concert.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:07 am    Post subject: Re: Timelines of the Great Depression Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Well, it took until 1932-1933 for the market to hit a bottom and for the full effects to really set in. October 1929 was just the beginning (just like now). There were mini spikes and glimmers of hope along the way (just like now). But over time, things steadily dwindled downward (just like now).
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:21 am    Post subject: Re: Timelines of the Great Depression Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

We will know shortly if this is indeed the next downtick...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Timelines of the Great Depression Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I don't think that the 1930's great depression will keep its "great" attribute in the history books of the future, beside of course the case where history books would ceased to be published because of some major problems like say a thermonuclear war or runaway global warming ending in a massive dieoff.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Timelines of the Great Depression Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The depression of the 1930's did not have digital technology to speed along transactions. It took time to process buy/sell orders. Banks used paper. I don't think even punch cards were in use at the time. Modern technology can jam up the works at lightning speeds. We can screw stuff up in a day things that used to take weeks and months to screw up.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Timelines of the Great Depression Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

kpeavey, I think you have got that right, in the 1930's everything moved at a human pace. Calculations took forever and required human input.

Now we have a system of 1 and 0s flying around at the speed of light.


We are witnessing the fall of the current economic system and it is happening a speed that is inhuman.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Timelines of the Great Depression Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Peavey has a strong point. Trillions of dollars are circulating the globe on the internet.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Timelines of the Great Depression Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

kpeavey wrote:
Banks used paper. I don't think even punch cards were in use at the time.


You'd be surprised. Data collation via punch card goes back to the 1890's . Programmed production automation via punchcard a lot earlier than that (think player piano technology applied to industry), the earliest found in textiles production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_001#Hollerith_and_IBM_Keypunches.2C_1890_through_1930s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquard_loom


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Timelines of the Great Depression Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Don't think we are going to see any depression from this credit squeeze brought on by excessive leveraging.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Timelines of the Great Depression Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

TreebeardsUncle wrote:
Don't think we are going to see any depression from this credit squeeze brought on by excessive leveraging.


Isn't the credit squeeze just a symptom? The illness is the huge of amount of debt in the economy. Federal debt, local and state government debt, mortgage debt, commercial debt, consumer debt.

There are only two things to do with debt...... Service it or Bankrupt it.
Everyone is maxed on their credit lines. So those who can will be servicing the debt which takes away from consumption. The rest will go for the bankrupt option.

Eitherway, it bodes bad for the economy.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Timelines of the Great Depression Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

deMolay wrote:
Peavey has a strong point. Trillions of dollars are circulating the globe on the internet.


Look, I told you I joined all those adult sites as "research"!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Timelines of the Great Depression Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Wiki sez:

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From the 1900s, into the 1950s, punched cards were the primary medium for data entry, data storage, and processing in institutional computing. According to the IBM Archives: "By 1937... IBM had 32 presses at work in Endicott, N.Y., printing, cutting and stacking five to 10 million punched cards every day."


Doubt that had much to do with the average consumer's day-to-day purchasing though, except perhaps in very tony stores in big cities using credit systems tied to adding machines etc.

Google: Timeline of the Great Depression. Take your pick.

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1930
* The GNP falls 9.4 percent from the year before. The unemployment rate climbs from 3.2 to 8.7 percent.
1931
* No major legislation is passed addressing the Depression.
* The GNP falls another 8.5 percent; unemployment rises to 15.9 percent.


Shadowstats says we're actually at about 14.2% right now anyway.

I posted some excerpts from a Weimar Republic timeline in another thread. The deutschmark depreciated in value compared to the dollar from about 325:1 to 500k:1 from 1922 to 1923. Kept becoming ever more worthless, too.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Timelines of the Great Depression Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Agree, that inflating the appraisals of houses, giving too much of the wrong kind of loans to unqualified borrowers, bundling and selling the mbs's to unwitting investors who were left holding the bag etc was largely responsible for leading to the current situation. Believe it was demand from investors in an environment with low long-term interest rates that encouraged the creation of these debt instruments as vehicles by which the investors could earn higher rates of return that drove the development of excessive leveraging in residential real estate at least at first.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Timelines of the Great Depression Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Is the argument that punch cards were around or that they did some work? If there was a truckload of punch cards for every one on the planet back then and a machine to do something with them, it would be a drop in the bucket compared to what modern computers can do to really screw siht up fast.
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