Oil's energy contribution has declined by about 12% since 1999. The world's economies have also declined by about 12%. (Using conventional metrics, which are time delayed determinations, this will only be seen in hind sight). The massive destruction of asset values now occurring testifies to it happening.
Peak is well behind us, world economies have peaked and will continue to decline.
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: Somali pirates capture 33 T-72 main battle tanks
Stop hogging all the popcorn. I need to set some handyby also.
Might need a bowl or two when the Russians get to that ship. I hope the MSM has a camera crew positioned to show us the action in real time.
“We just saw a big ship,” the pirates’ spokesman, Sugule Ali, said in a telephone interview. “So we stopped it.”
The pirates quickly learned, though, that their booty was an estimated $30 million worth of heavy weaponry, heading for Kenya or Sudan, depending on whom you ask.
In a 45-minute interview, Mr. Sugule spoke on everything from what the pirates wanted (“just money”) to why they were doing this (“to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters”) to what they had to eat on board (rice, meat, bread, spaghetti, “you know, normal human-being food”).
He said that so far, in the eyes of the world, the pirates had been misunderstood. “We don’t consider ourselves sea bandits,” he said. “We consider sea bandits those who illegally fish in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas. We are simply patrolling our seas. Think of us like a coast guard.”
He insisted that the pirates were not interested in the weapons and had no plans to sell them to Islamist insurgents battling Somalia’s weak transitional government. “Somalia has suffered from many years of destruction because of all these weapons,” he said. “We don’t want that suffering and chaos to continue. We are not going to offload the weapons. We just want the money.”
He said the pirates were asking for $20 million in cash; “we don’t use any other system than cash.” But he added that they were willing to bargain. “That’s deal-making,” he explained.
He makes some legitimate points, but I have a feeling that fighting piracy with piracy is a good way to witness the power of a DU fusillade (from the wrong end).
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Pirates hijack possible nukes?
Revi wrote:
Those outports supported people for hundreds of years. Maybe they could again. Of course there were more fish then.
Any word on the other ship hijacked by the Somalis?
It had the tanks on it.
There is another thread following that one Revi. This one was of concern because of the implied nukes on-board.
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:57 am Post subject: Re: Pirates hijack possible nukes?
No one is going to waste time with garbage, this is all a scam., setup by psyops, have to have an "event" in October, or Mccain is toast.
remember, when Kerry and Bush was running and kerry was ahead? Osama bin Deaden put out a vido in october and scared the gullibles into voting Bush. What a joke, that was the fake video we see, the Bin ladenwith an AFrican fat nose...
anyway expaect anything in October, they ahve to do something or loose the Dynasty.
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:56 am Post subject: Re: Pirates hijack possible nukes?
Pirates have always been just the dark arm of the PTB.
They were central in destabilizing the oceans to keep countries off track.
Call them black ops of the 17-18-19th centuries. They all had missions, and they usually did whatever they had to to accomplish it. They hid behind a cloak of wayfairers, but they worked in direct contact with the highest oder of power in the world.
They flew the skull and bones which was central to Germany's elite order and General Russel in 1832 began it at of course certain university in America...
Anything to do with pirates is a setup for an event. Has the highest knowledge of the PTB and usually has vast consequences in action. You don't use the big weapons unless it is important.
False flag, whatever.
Just a darker arm of the maphfia, same thing.
Quote from wikipedia.
"In the lecture that sums up the initiation of a new Master M____, the newly admitted candidate is told that this degree 'will make you a brother to pirates and corsairs.' That statement makes no sense whatever in the context of a society descended from medieval stonemasons."
It is all one big unitedoperation, and the sheep have little hair left.
Now, if you just think a bit, and if it were true that pirates were random boats from around the world operating as independent thieves, um, why did they all fly the same flag?
Light ? T a tight org, each dividions with their orders...
Some really important people were shuttled across the oceans by these guys in secret.
Wikipedia (amazing site)
still gives up some interesting reading.
In his book Pirates & The Lost Tempilar Fleet, David Hatcher Childress writes that the flag was named after the first man to fly it, King Roger II of Sicily (c.1095-1154). Roger was a famed Templar and the Knights Of The Temple were in conflict with the Pope over his conquests of Apulia and Salerno in 1127.[9] Childress claims that, many years later, after the Templars were disbanded by the church, at least one Templar fleet split into four independent flotillas dedicating themselves to pirating ships of any country ... and its crossed bones a reference to the original Templar logo of a red cross with blunted ends.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Cor 11:14
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal 1:8
Maybe a more accurate name for terorists would be pirates...
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Somali pirates capture 33 T-72 main battle tanks
This is exactly the type of jobs they send their older, too wise pirates on. They get killed, then they recruit more pirtes for other things, if they are succesful and don't get killed, they get an awesome job pulled and try something else again.
What they should do is trap them and torture them until they tell us which op forces they work for, but that really wouldn't help, they are all one service now anyway...
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Somali pirates capture 33 T-72 main battle tanks
Not sure why it's taking so long for the Russians to get to the scene.
It's hard to find updates but here is one from ABC. A previous story from Sept 29 said they would arrive in about a week and it has been 10 days now since that story.
The American officials are now saying they believe the weapons are bound for Sudan. This could be interesting when the Russians finally arrive. The Russians will not want to lose money on this deal and will probably do whatever they can to salvage the sale. This gives the pirates few options. Nobody will pay them a ransom - they are surrounded by warships. They could sabotage or sink the ship and all that booty but that is taking a gamble that the Russians would not be really pissed off at them for that. It seems like from the reports they could simply walk (or swim) away from the ship no questions asked which would probably be the smartest thing to do.
If someone is stupid enough to pay them a ransom and let the shipment go through, do the Americans then intervene?
This a no-win situation for those punks.
Edit: found a newer UPDATE re: the ransom. Why reward these a$$holes just to save 20 sailors who should have been well aware of the risks they were taking in those waters?
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Somali pirates capture 33 T-72 main battle tanks
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Why reward these a$$holes just to save 20 sailors who should have been well aware of the risks they were taking in those waters?
That's quite an unusual perspective you have there, DarkDawg. Do you really value not "rewarding" pirates more than you would value the lives of 20 people, regardless of how negligent those people were?
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Somali pirates capture 33 T-72 main battle tanks
It's a form of triage. As things get worse, look for forms of it as part or all of the solution to any problem. _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
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