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smallpoxgirl
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 Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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| venky wrote: | | I think Palin did extremely well. I think the defining characteristic of her during the debate was likability, must have played extremely well with her base and right leaning independents. Her arguments were coherent, while Joe Biden sometimes came a bit stuffy more often than not, negative. |
Yeah, boy. I'd have to say that anyone who read that as likability is an exceptionally poor judge of character. She struck me as nervous, off center, disingenuous, and sickly sweet. Whenever a patient walks in my office and acts like that, I know the next thing is going to be trying to hit me up for a huge script for pain pills or something. Biden was a far better actor. He seemed calm, in control, and warm without being overly forward. He's the kind of guy that could reel you into a conversation, and you wouldn't notice till half an hour later that he stole your wallet.
I was impressed that Palin actually answered all the questions. Not even one "I'll have to look into it and get back to you." I think that's definitely score one for her. She clearly had practiced saying Akmadinajad and she nailed it perfectly, but christ people. If you're possibly going to be president, you really should know that nuclear is pronounced new-clear not new-cue-lar. I'm taking off a point for diction.
All in all....I'd say it was clearly a win for Cthulhu.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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| venky wrote: | | I think Palin did extremely well. I think the defining characteristic of her during the debate was likability, must have played extremely well with her base and right leaning independents. Her arguments were coherent, while Joe Biden sometimes came a bit stuffy more often than not, negative. |
Her voice was quavering. You could tell she was scared sh*tless and was reading memorized phrases that she's probably been cramming day and night. I mean, how many times can she say "maverick" McCain? She was like a broken record.
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dinopello
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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| smallpoxgirl wrote: | | I was impressed that Palin actually answered all the questions. Not even one "I'll have to look into it and get back to you." I think that's definitely score one for her. |
She didn't always answer the question that was asked though...
She did well but she was a little creepy at times. Mostly for me having seen her more extemporaneous personality with Couric. It was a little like Kara from the Spock's Brain episode putting on "the teacher"...
Brain and brain, what is brain ?
She's unlikely to do any more interviews, I think. Biden should go on many shows now. |
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vtsnowedin
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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 SHE DID NOT LOSE!!
And thats enough. after this they will get back to the main race and who has a clue about what to do come January' 09.
bet they are both S#^@!*^ bricks about what the economy will do betwen now and Nov. 4. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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Its mainly because many of us have spent the better part of the week disregarding her as an airheaded bimbo, that her making coherent arguments and at the least holding her ground in this debate is a victory of sorts.
Sure it was pretty obvious that her answers were memorized and her actual depth of knowledge was pretty thin, nevertheless I am sure that while we might dismiss her as a fake, the right wing base and even some independents are going to love her; she does know how to connect to them.
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vtsnowedin
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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| venky wrote: | Its mainly because many of us have spent the better part of the week disregarding her as an airheaded bimbo, that her making coherent arguments and at the least holding her ground in this debate is a victory of sorts.
Sure it was pretty obvious that her answers were memorized and her actual depth of knowledge was pretty thin, nevertheless I am sure that while we might dismiss her as a fake, the right wing base and even some independents are going to love her; she does know how to connect to them. |
You think Biden's weren't?? I think they both prepared as hard as they could.
I wonder if the McCain camp was smart enough to have her play dumb with Kuric to lower expectations? |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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She was as nervous as Obama would be at a Nascar race! LOL
Biden was cool. He showed how a lifetime of pontificating at the taxpayers expense can pay off. For Palin to do as well as she did is quite amazing.
But shes in the big leagues now, and you have to be able to hit the ball.
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smallpoxgirl
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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| dinopello wrote: | | smallpoxgirl wrote: | | I was impressed that Palin actually answered all the questions. Not even one "I'll have to look into it and get back to you." I think that's definitely score one for her. |
She didn't always answer the question that was asked though... |
That's standard for anybody working with the press. They try to corner you into answering the question they want. You try to side step and answer the issue you want to talk about.
Admittedly her answers weren't great. A lot of them had the intellectual depth of an add for Budweiser or Monday Night football, but at least she didn't get into one of those awful "I can't think of the names of any newspapers as the moment Katie, but I'll write you a list later" kind of moments.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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| Ludi wrote: | | AlexdeLarge wrote: | | It's a good thing the debate moderator is not biased. Palin will need all the help she can get! |
It's not like they negotiated and agreed on the moderators, or anything. |
Its not like Gwen Iflil actually told the election commission she was writing a book about the THE AGE OF OBAMA scheduled to released on inauguration day, and so stands to make huge amounts of money if Obama is elected. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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| vtsnowedin wrote: |
You think Biden's weren't?? I think they both prepared as hard as they could. |
Biden has decades of actual experience to draw from in his answers. Palin only has memorized a few select talking points. At times she sounded like nothing but a stepford-wife McCain campaigner rather than someone talking about her own qualifications.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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| smallpoxgirl wrote: | | All in all....I'd say it was clearly a win for Cthulhu. |
I'm not being entirely whimsical with this Cthulhu stuff, you know. What's really dominating political power anymore but mischief and malice, alien to the average person's needs?
| mos6507 wrote: | | Palin only has memorized a few select talking points. At times she sounded like nothing but a stepford-wife McCain campaigner rather than someone talking about her own qualifications. |
That just isn't a handicap anymore. Look at Bush's level approval rating for years, with entire books published documenting his awesome command of the gaffe.
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smallpoxgirl
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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| TheDude wrote: | | "We're fixing to go down to Galveston and obviously are going to see a devastated part of this fantastic state."—Houston, Sept. 16, 2008 |
Not sure how that's a gaff if he said it in Houston. This fantastic state=the state we're all in currently=Texas.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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| Quote: | Asked which is a greater threat, a nuclear Pakistan or a nuclear Iran, Palin seemed to be stalling, or writing a term paper, when she said: “An armed, nuclear armed especially Iran is so extremely dangerous to consider.”
Biden was crisper, with a dose of realism: “Iran getting a nuclear weapon would be very, very destabilizing. They are more than — they are not close to getting a nuclear weapon that's able to be deployed.”
Biden relentlessly and clearly delivered a specific message he had been assigned to hammer home: McCain-Palin would be four more years of Bush-Cheney. Biden mentioned President Bush more than a dozen times.
"Look, past is prologue, Gwen," he said at one point. "The issue is, how different is John McCain's policy going to be than George Bush's? I haven't heard anything yet."
By contrast, Palin was in much more of a survival mode, barely delivering on her advisers' hopes that she would be aggressive with Biden, throwing gaffes and policies back at him. For the Alaska governor, it was policy as a second language — adequate but not enlightening. |
The consensus seems to be that she didn't make any major mistakes (unless you consider vague, ideological generalities mistakes), but it was not a stellar performance. She lost in that she did not differentiate John McCain from Bush, all the "mavericks" notwithstanding.
Yeah, Dude. Some of us are aware that this is about the "look" and "style" of You-Know-Who. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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I was relieved that neither one made any embarrassing mistakes, we've had 8 years of that.
Joe won the battle on points I thought but Sarah won her war by not freezing or gaffing and just evading.
Still though I'm a dem and will vote for Barrak (however it's spelled) I wouldn't feel too worried about John being pres, but a vice prez that shakes her bangs, smiles and winks while twisting the rhetorical knife does worry me.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Victor in the VP Debate |
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| mos6507 wrote: | | I mean, how many times can she say "maverick" McCain? She was like a broken record. |
Don't know about "maverick", but she said "also" over 90 times. My roomate pointed that out during the debate and so we just counted in the transcript. Biden said "also" 5 times for comparison.
A very minor thing, obviously and may be the way they talk up there but it seems like something that is often discouraged by English teachers.
I like how she asked and received his permission to call him "joe" and then made up cute little rhymes with his name during the debate.
Edit: I'd like to see her have a 90 minute debate on just energy since she kept saying that she was an expert. They both would struggle but there is a lot to discuss - like how she figures that we will become energy independent. Obama and Biden have both now repeated the assertion that we (the US) has only 3% of the world's reserves and use 20+% of the world's production. Palin must think our reserves are much larger or else she thinks we can dramatically reduce our consumption. |
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