I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Constitutional crisis brewing
Hey people, this is really a FIVE Stars thread, congrats!!!
Conceptually speaking, I hope this clarity of thinking and profound perspectives could permeate beyond the borders of that country!
By the way, Nickel, please try to hide a little your ignorance to other realities, could you?
I mean ..... were you never told of the 29 "laws" being pushed by the ven dictator, within the framing he gave himself from his nazional assambly of the enabling law, in which almost every single item, voted "NO" for the PEOPLE of this country, are being systematically enforced but through the rear door of autoritarism, ehh?
However, I encourage you to keep an CLOSER eye on us and sincere thanks for your interest!!! _________________ Only if you are interested in the real side of truth.
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Constitutional crisis brewing
Quote:
So you won't answer the question?
I did answer your question, you just don't like the answer. Because my answer means that questions of today have to be made by the living, not the dead. As Paine said, I choose the "privilege of thinking" and making my own decisions, rather than attempting the impossible, which is to know what Paine, Jefferson Jesus or any other dead man would do. No interpretation of history is binding on decisions of the present. We cannot change the past and the past cannot change our future. The future is ours, not theirs, their lives are done and set in the pages of history, while ours are yet to be written by the decisions and actions we make today.
So, again, and in answer to your question, I refuse and don't accept the notion that anything is to be gained by what our Forefathers might have said or done. To insist on such meaningless endeavors cheapens the gift of self-governance, which is the gift of freedom of thought and action, that we were given by our forefathers in our Constitution. I fully subscribe to the words of Paine who cautioned not to give up the "liberty of thought" and I willingly accept the gift of self-governance, the right of our generation to make its own decisions, as granted by the Constitution.
When one asks, what would our forefathers have done, the answer is easy, because they all ready told us in the Constitution, which requires us to think for ourselves.
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Constitutional crisis brewing
Seahorse, you're making my point perfectly, and I'll sum it up shortly for everybody.
But one last chance for you.
There are three, and only three, possible answers to my question:
A). You believe that most, if not all, of the founding fathers would have laughed out loud and thought you insane had you asked them if abortion was a right they intended to grant in the Constitution, because it clearly was not.
B). You do not believe that most, if not all, of the founding fathers would have laughed out loud and thought you insane had you asked them if abortion was a right they intended to grant in the Constitution because it clearly was.
C). You don't believe you have enough information to choose 1 or 2.
There is no fourth possibility.
So Seahorse, can you simply answer the question?
What is YOUR belief? _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Constitutional crisis brewing
Cashmere wrote:
A). You believe that most, if not all, of the founding fathers would have laughed out loud and thought you insane had you asked them if abortion was a right they intended to grant in the Constitution, because it clearly was not.
They would have done the same had you suggested blacks be free and citizens and that women have the vote and hold office. Times change.
I think Seahorse's point is that their laughter is not the guide to our lives you'd like us to suppose it to be. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: Constitutional crisis brewing
Cashmere wrote:
You believe that most, if not all, of the founding fathers would have laughed out loud and thought you insane had you asked them if abortion was a right they intended to grant in the Constitution, because it clearly was not.
Google "abortion colonial America" or "Eve's herbs".
I won't be drawn into the abortion argument but I'd think anyone studying or citing history should take into account the norms of the period which they cite.
I ain't no historian or constitutional expert though... _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Constitutional crisis brewing
Nickel said it well, by asking the same question over and over, you are unwilling to accept the fact that under our Constitution, the anti-abortion law presented in Roe v. Wade was decided and ruled unconstitutional. You disagree with the reasoning of that decision, and now try to guess as to what a dead man might say about it. But there is no place to speculate as to what dead men might say about facts that cannot be presented to them concerning decisions regarding you and me. Even if the opinions of the dead could be known, they would carry no weight, as they do not have to live with them.
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Constitutional crisis brewing
seahorse2 wrote:
Nickel said it well, by asking the same question over and over, you are unwilling to accept the fact that under our Constitution, the anti-abortion law presented in Roe v. Wade was decided and ruled unconstitutional. You disagree with the reasoning of that decision, and now try to guess as to what a dead man might say about it. But there is no place to speculate as to what dead men might say about facts that cannot be presented to them concerning decisions regarding you and me. Even if the opinions of the dead could be known, they would carry no weight, as they do not have to live with them.
So everybody reading this thread, you now have the answer as to why the Constitution is an ass rag.
I'll post later, when I have more time, why Seahorse's position is the exact cause of the Constitution being turned into toilet paper.
In the mean time, just think about it.
What does it say when a person refuses to answer a simple question?
Hmm?
Once you get past all the posturing and verbosity and grandiose language, what does it say when a man refuses to answer the simplest of questions? _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 1461 Location: The Canada of America
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:05 am Post subject: Re: Constitutional crisis brewing
Cashmere wrote:
So everybody reading this thread, you now have the answer as to why the Constitution is an ass rag.
I'll post later, when I have more time, why Seahorse's position is...
Caz, no one is buying what you're selling, do you get it? We all know the difference between judicial review and executive usurpation, even if you don't. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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