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joeltrout Light Sweet Crude

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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| StuckInPhilly wrote: | Is there something non-PO about being a vegetarian?
Eating meat has not been a very common practice until fairly recently in history. |
Are you kidding? According to who/what?
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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| StuckInPhilly wrote: | Is there something non-PO about being a vegetarian?
Eating meat has not been a very common practice until fairly recently in history. |
Not sure what you mean by "recently" ( 3-5 million years?) - even chimpanzee's hunt fairly routinely.
-G _________________ I Have and will continue to vote against ANY politician who supports the various bailouts. Curse you for selling out our future for status quo now! |
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smallpoxgirl Moderator


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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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Yeah. Elk, Cow, Buffalo, those are a lot of work and more than I'd want to do without help. Something the size of a deer, goat, or sheep is a fairly easy job for one person. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS |
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Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 6976 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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| kevincarter wrote: | | I don’t want to get all romantic, but realistically speaking I don’t know how to get around the morals of killing an animal to eat him. And yes, I eat meat and somebody had to kill it, I know, I know… |
I guess I need to ask about the morals involved with killing an animal to Not eat him?
Probably a topic best suited to another forum I think... _________________ Make a plan and work it: |
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StuckInPhilly Heavy Crude


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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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| joeltrout wrote: | | StuckInPhilly wrote: | Is there something non-PO about being a vegetarian?
Eating meat has not been a very common practice until fairly recently in history. |
Are you kidding? According to who/what?
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You think that the common man has been able to afford his own land with his own deer, or maybe his own acreage for beef? Not to mention the once considerable expense of gun and ammo.
People pull up to Mcstuffy's now and order meat with every meal and this a modern luxury. Of course, your average sedentary land whale does not need anything near this amount of protein daily. _________________ “In the Soviet Union, capitalism triumphed over communism. In this country, capitalism triumphed over democracy.”
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joeltrout Light Sweet Crude

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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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| StuckInPhilly wrote: | | joeltrout wrote: | | StuckInPhilly wrote: | Is there something non-PO about being a vegetarian?
Eating meat has not been a very common practice until fairly recently in history. |
Are you kidding? According to who/what?
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You think that the common man has been able to afford his own land with his own deer, or maybe his own acreage for beef? Not to mention the once considerable expense of gun and ammo. |
You can hunt on public land in California for about $65 and buy a cheap but good rifle for $250 including ammo. So after you purchase your rifle then you can have a couple hundred pounds of deer meat every year for around $65. Not bad.
| StuckInPhilly wrote: | | People pull up to Mcstuffy's now and order meat with every meal and this a modern luxury. Of course, your average sedentary land whale does not need anything near this amount of protein daily. |
What relavance does this have? People have been eating meat since the beginning of time.
| StuckInPhilly wrote: | | Eating meat has not been a very common practice until fairly recently in history. |
This still doesn't make any sense to me. What are you talking about?
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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| StuckInPhilly wrote: | Is there something non-PO about being a vegetarian?
Eating meat has not been a very common practice until fairly recently in history. |
Ignorance, as plain as plain yogurt.
Humans have clearly evolved as omnivores, with meat the preferred source of calories.
Given meat, chimps eat only meat. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group. |
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smallpoxgirl Moderator


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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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| StuckInPhilly wrote: | | You think that the common man has been able to afford his own land with his own deer, or maybe his own acreage for beef? Not to mention the once considerable expense of gun and ammo. |
For a very brief period of time people have been dilligently stuffing themselves into cities in mimicry of canned sardines. For most of human history, having enough land to harvest meat wasn't so much of an issue. Try reading the Little House on the Prairie books sometime. Those guys hunted to stay alive. Better yet, try reading some of the biographical books about the Lakota. They went months at a time without eating much else besides buffalo jerky. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS |
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Micki Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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You get used to the practical side of killing.
Most people seem to separate life and life. i.e. life is precious if it
has cuddly fur and cute eyes or intelligence that we can relate to but if it buzzes around your head wack it.
Morally, I think it is more wrong to deliberatly step on a spider than it is to kill an animal for food. _________________ It's not a bailout, it's a buy-in" - Nancy Pelosi |
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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| joeltrout wrote: | | SpringCreekFarm wrote: |
This is a very good point. I've thought about killing my own hogs but since I don't have a good clean place to do all the processing, I shy away from killing my own. It's not something you should do by yourself that is for sure. It takes a small team to handle the meat in a timely manner.
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Haha, you didn't grow up hunting did you?
I have cleaned deer and elk by myself, packed it out on my back using an external frame backpack and sometimes had to leave the meat overnite and pack it out the next day usually cutting off the chew marks from coyotes or whatever else had a free supper. Unless you are killing in the middle of summer when it is 90 degrees outside then time really isn't a factor after you have done it a few times.
I suggest killing during winter that way you can let the meat freeze within hours of killing the animal.
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Yes I grew up with it all around me. Our family didn't hunt but a lot of the neighbors did. We were farmers and raised beef, pork and chicken for ourselves. We didn't need to hunt. We have killed some of our own animals in the past but that was then and this is now. I'll not attempt it on the larger scale until I can handle the job cleanly and safely.
As for the tone of your post, I guess you da man.  |
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cudabachi Heavy Crude


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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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I've hunted small game animals, birds, and then later deer since I was about 8 years old.
And I always took responsibility for cleaning my own game and cooking it as well.
I don't hunt that much these days but do raise animals on my place here in Venezuela and have no problem moving them from field-to-plate, especially problem animals.
I've also got a neighbor who likes to hunt and occassionally asks permission for access to my place. I always tell him he's welcomed but not to shoot anything he doesn't plan on eating.......well, that and "does". I'm a bucks-only kinda guy here because we don't have that many deer to begin with. |
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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If I make the decision to kill an animal, I do so with great humility. I believe all life is sacred, and should only be taken with respect.
My Grandfather was a farmer who raised and slaughtered hogs, chickens, and cattle for food. I remember that he didn't like doing it, but did it because it was necessary for the welfare of the family.
Today, most people have never been exposed to slaughtering animals for food. (I'm speaking of farm animals, not wild game). Its hard to kill an animal that you are familiar with and might have raised from birth. Its O.K. to feel that way. I think most balanced people don't enjoy it. For those who only have brought home their meat on a styrofoam plate it is going to be a steep learning curve. _________________ "If everything is going well, you obviously overlooked something." |
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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Also, I would recommend reading the book "Omnivores Dilemma."
Good and educational read. Has a wonderful treatment of vegetarianism vs. carniviourism. You will learn things, some you won't want to know. _________________ When going through hell, keep going! Churchill
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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the answer is in your mouth... we have the teeth of carnivores.
to the extent you beleive we have evolved to the point where killing is no longer necessary, well, you run the (very great) risk of mother nature bitch slapping your DNA right out of the gene pool.
you are a natural born killer. |
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: The morals of killing your meat. |
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| ALBY wrote: | the answer is in your mouth... we have the teeth of carnivores.
to the extent you beleive we have evolved to the point where killing is no longer necessary, well, you run the (very great) risk of mother nature bitch slapping your DNA right out of the gene pool.
you are a natural born killer. |
Are you responding to anyone in particular? _________________ When going through hell, keep going! Churchill
Nothing is ever lost by courtesy. It is the the cheapest of pleasures, costs nothing, and conveys much. E Wiman
I know there’s no solution, so I just enjoy what’s here and I enjoy the journey G Carlin |
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