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Spanktron9
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Crashing? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

jasonraymondson wrote:
Olaf wrote:
I believe I've just watched the house I was planning to build next year disappear in a puff of smoke.
Folks that jest about this can go Fark themsleves. This is not a game.
uhm dummy.. how long have you been on this site now? We all knew this was coming, if you had everything tied up in stocks... then you are a MORON!!!! I convinced my dad last year to take everything he had out of stocks because of this website.
He called last night and told me he was glad he listened. That is the closest my dad has ever come to saying he was proud of me. If you didn't believe the information on this site, then why are you here!!!

I had a similar situation with my Dad. I am in finance and back in February, I told him to get out of financials. He didn't listen. I told him again in May. He didn't listen. In July he moved his money to me, and said "You were right, that was a smart move. I should have listened." Same feeling. Closest he ever came in 39 years of ever saying he was proud of me. Probably the closest I will get.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Crash Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

retiredguy wrote:
They finally used the "C" word on CNBC this afternoon.

Cannibalism? Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Crashing? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

jasonraymondson wrote:
Olaf wrote:
I believe I've just watched the house I was planning to build next year disappear in a puff of smoke.
Folks that jest about this can go Fark themsleves. This is not a game.
uhm dummy.. how long have you been on this site now? We all knew this was coming, if you had everything tied up in stocks... then you are a MORON!!!! I convinced my dad last year to take everything he had out of stocks because of this website.
He called last night and told me he was glad he listened. That is the closest my dad has ever come to saying he was proud of me.
If you didn't believe the information on this site, then why are you here!!!

Jason, The reason I've been pitching a fit on this forum for the last year, is because so many people here DID get rid of most of their stock but doubled and tripled up on their oil shares. NOT a good idea, but I'll refrain from ranting on again.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Crashing? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

by Christmas at this rate.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Crash Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cashmere wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:
The '87 crash was 25% in one day. We are nowhere near that. Luv, M$M pundits
25% in one day. 25% in 7 days. A distinction without a difference.

They kill trading for the day at a 10% drop now, if I recall correctly. So a 25% correction/crash/clusterf*ck would take 3 days minimum to occur now, presuming no dead cats around.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Crashing? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Nov 5 is the end of the world. Election complete. No more bailouts. No more money. Paulson & Bernanke catch the last flight to antarctica. McCain & Ubacka take the escape pods to Canadia. Congress hides in the WV bunker. Dubya wanders around looking for a beer.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Crashing? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

My neighbor thanked me for making his million. I told him in 2000 to go to euros.

In just told my friend to get out of euros, stocks and everything else now.

He didn't even question me this time.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Crashing? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Can this in anyway be a change for the good? Why are we not in the streets with our signs? The last good march was the illegals who I might say have a hand in this mess with their foreclosures. Sleepy nation, prozac nation.........
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Crashing? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

emeraldg40 wrote:
Can this in anyway be a change for the good?

If it makes bankers leap from high windows, sure.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Crashing? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

frankthetank wrote:
Down almost 700... I feel sorry for you investors. Sometimes its not so bad being poor.

Here here! I don't have a shirt to lose!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Crashing? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

heroineworshipper wrote:
Nov 5 is the end of the world. Election complete. No more bailouts. No more money. Paulson & Bernanke catch the last flight to antarctica. McCain & Ubacka take the escape pods to Canadia. Congress hides in the WV bunker. Dubya wanders around looking for a beer.

Wow, that's sharp! Did you just jab your needle directly in your brain instead of the usual places? That sure give you an enhance thought dude.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Crashing? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This guy probably knows what he's talking about. That's not good, because you can't like what he's saying:

Is this the start of another Great Depression?

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Every time the economy and stock market turn down, financial historians get predictable calls from reporters.

Could this be the start of another Great Depression? Could "it" possibly happen again? My stock answer has always been no.

The Great Depression resulted from a series of economic and financial shocks -- the end of a housing bubble in 1926 and the end of a high-tech bubble in 1929 -- but also from truly breathtaking neglect and incompetence on the part of policymakers.

It couldn't happen again precisely because policymakers know this history. Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke is a student of the Great Depression. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson remembers the mistakes of Andrew Mellon, Herbert Hoover's treasury secretary.

We can be confident, I always answered, that there will not be another Great Depression because policymakers have read financial histories like mine. At least that was my line until recently. Now I have stopped taking reporters' calls.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Crashing? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

smallpoxgirl wrote:
Olaf wrote:
I believe I've just watched the house I was planning to build next year disappear in a puff of smoke. Folks that jest about this can go Fark themsleves. This is not a game.
There's no sense getting all freaked out about it. What's gonna happen is gonna happen. Any psychologist will tell you that people laugh as a way of relieving tension. It's the reason that soldiers and medical people are always telling morbid jokes. If people around here can't joke about this stuff, they're gonna have a stroke or go postal or something. I seriously doubt anyone fails to understand how serious this is. Well...maybe Lorenzo. He's pretty clueless, but the rest of us get it.

You are right. I'm having a very bad day.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Crashing? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The only thing is this doesn't seem to have anything to do with peak oil. The guys at housingbubbleblog have been predicting this for years just like people on this site and they aren't peak oilers. Do you really believe 4.50 gasoline brought down the financial system? I don't think so.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Crashing? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It's like fiction. Are the banks going to foreclose on everyone because their property is worth 10% of their loan? Are we going to wake up bald? Are cats & dogs going to live together?
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