I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: I need a hug
Anybody else?
I'm so scared I can barely function. For years I've felt like a loon with all my dire predictions for the future. Now it's all starting to happen. I was much happier being the paranoid loon.
_________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
Joined: Oct 06, 2006 Posts: 1371 Location: East Texas
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: I need a hug
It looks like a steep hill, only because of perspective and proximity.
In reality.. .this is but a mild toe stubbing. More than enough to get everyone's attention; but its not the big show.
Not that some aren't losing huge amounts of money; nor that people who bought houses during the bungle (bubble) aren't in deep trouble; but recessions come and go, and they always look very harsh on the way in.
You can tell the difference because the dollar is buying MORE energy today than it did a month ago; not less. Government bonds are in higher demand and are seen as the safe refuge against chaos; not the source and incarnation of chaos.
Or maybe.. I'm delusional and am not quite ready to be taking a bite of THIS particular sandwich.. I can't quite give up the hope of having just a few more years of peaceful middle class American life, not so much to ask, is it? Why should I bear the consequences of my piers purchasing houses three times the size of the one I picked... How is it my burden to cover the decisions of working class people that thought they knew enough to play real estate investor in their spare time? Why do I get to bail out those that facilitated and encouraged those people to do as they did. They converted trillions of dollars in fake equity into currency; spent it; and now the equity that action was based on has disappeared; gone... destroyed.
Dang... Now I need a hug. _________________ Yes, we are. As we are.
And so shall we remain; Until the end.
Joined: Oct 27, 2004 Posts: 666 Location: Salt Spring Island, Cascadia
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: I need a hug
C'mon up to Canada; I'll give you a hug.
But keep in mind, peak oil is not the enemy, financial ruin is not the enemy, even war is not the enemy; fear is the enemy.
If you can face your fear and back it down, these things that are going on become merely interesting predicaments to craft coping strategies for.
Action is the antidote to fear. Do something -- anything -- positive about your future, and watch the fear dissipate. (That does not include reading and/or posting to this forum!) _________________ :::: Jan Steinman, Communication Steward, EcoReality, a forming sustainable community. Be the change! ::::
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:04 am Post subject: Re: I need a hug
Bytesmiths wrote:
Action is the antidote to fear. Do something -- anything -- positive about your future, and watch the fear dissipate. (That does not include reading and/or posting to this forum!)
LOL! You should see my house!
I've got 50 pounds of carrots and 8 pineapples in the fridge. In the last two weeks I've canned corn, beans, pears, peaches, pineapples, and pasta sauce - probably 300 pints in total. I've got another 150 canning jars stacked in the living room along with a big stack of beans, rice, mylar bags, and plastic buckets to store them in. I've ordered reloading supplies and a new gun.
I'm not sure what else I can *do* at the moment. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
Joined: Jan 16, 2005 Posts: 321 Location: Delft, Netherlands
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: Re: I need a hug
Bytesmiths wrote:
But keep in mind, peak oil is not the enemy, financial ruin is not the enemy, even war is not the enemy; fear is the enemy.
Close, but no cigar. Illusion is the enemy. Illusion is the cause of fear, anger, ignorance, etc. etc.
To be brief: Illusion is caused by adopting the material conception of life, which we have been coaxed into doing in order to create the consumer society. We will be reversing all that by cleansing our souls through material suffering and sacrifice. It won't be all bad though, because sacrifice is the tried and tested way to gain favour with god, so we'll all be getting valuable divine insight in the coming decades! So don't worry, just surrender to god and be happy!
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: Re: I need a hug
Nano wrote:
It won't be all bad though, because sacrifice is the tried and tested way to gain favour with god, so we'll all be getting valuable divine insight in the coming decades! So don't worry, just surrender to god and be happy!
Yeah. I think that's true. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: Re: I need a hug
SPG, You need to take a break. If you can't come to Ireland before 2016, I suggest no looking at the (all bad) news for 24 hours, get a nice bottle of wine and watch one or several monty python movies.
NO-ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION.
Works every time.
Oh and big hug from me.
I now realise I'm a complete psycho - I can't get enough of the collapse footage. Nikkei down 10% - I lost €1500 on falling oil stock alone in the last week. Luckily I've a good few irons in the fire and a black sense of humour. _________________ www.askaboutenergy.com
Joined: May 02, 2005 Posts: 3528 Location: Oh really?
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:05 am Post subject: Re: I need a hug
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Nano wrote:
It won't be all bad though, because sacrifice is the tried and tested way to gain favour with god, so we'll all be getting valuable divine insight in the coming decades! So don't worry, just surrender to god and be happy!
Yeah. I think that's true.
You have gone over!
{{{{{{hugs}}}}}} _________________ "It's still all about energy!"
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:44 am Post subject: Re: I need a hug
<<HUG>>>
SmallPox, you and I have gone at it a bit, but of course we are all in this one together. I perceived the doom a while back, but in my heart I want to believe we can come out of this one OK. As a doomer, I wrote to warn, but you really of course don't want to believe it actually will happen. Now I think it really HAS happenned, and with all the preps, I also am scared.
One of the things I do is teach children how to press down their fears. You have to be in control of your emotions to be able to handle stress. Part of doing that is to understand the nature of your fear and talk it out. That I think is what we do here.
You have made your preps. Take a deep breath. Tomorrow is another day.
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:13 am Post subject: Re: I need a hug
(((((hug)))))
I'm on the verge of panic attacks about this.
Luckily I did a Cognitive Behavioural Therapy course a couple of years ago (ostensibly for my fear of flying) and it really helps managing the fear. _________________ All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become. - Buddha
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:21 am Post subject: Re: I need a hug
I guess I'd better get those brussels sprouts out of the garden and into the cellar.
We have a few months of food here. What are we gonna do?
All that prep, and yet it still feels awful. My brothers have infant children. My mom and dad are getting old and lame.
Yes, hugs indeed. _________________ "By the time individuals discover that remaining resources will not be adequate for the next generation, the next generation has already been born. " David Price
Joined: Apr 06, 2006 Posts: 3623 Location: 3 miles NW of Champoeg, Republic of Cascadia
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: Re: I need a hug
Paddy's plan sounds good. Sip some vino, lie back, and watch the International Hide and Seek Championships! _________________ Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
C'mon man, who're you gonna believe?
Joined: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 1281 Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: Re: I need a hug
Nano wrote:
Bytesmiths wrote:
But keep in mind, peak oil is not the enemy, financial ruin is not the enemy, even war is not the enemy; fear is the enemy.
Close, but no cigar. Illusion is the enemy. Illusion is the cause of fear, anger, ignorance, etc. etc.
To be brief: Illusion is caused by adopting the material conception of life, which we have been coaxed into doing in order to create the consumer society. We will be reversing all that by cleansing our souls through material suffering and sacrifice. It won't be all bad though, because sacrifice is the tried and tested way to gain favour with god, so we'll all be getting valuable divine insight in the coming decades! So don't worry, just surrender to god and be happy!
I'm an atheist.
Hugs to you SPG. It is a bit scary isn't it. I've got a lot of my savings in gold and silver (mostly paper though) and I'm sitting here wondering how long do I wait to cash in, getting nervous with the pressure. I don't have the nerves for this financial stuff. _________________ Kind regards, Katkinkate
"The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops,
but the cultivation and perfection of human beings."
Masanobu Fukuoka
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:11 am Post subject: Re: I need a hug
Scared...no. Not really.
As has been pointed out, we are not yet facing real trouble. We have the potential to do so, and that possibility is the root cause of fear.
However, the key here is less about "preps" such as canning food or stockpiling ammo than it is about changing your perspective. The oil age generated mass affluence which facilitated independent living. It is time to focus on assembling your team - people with whom you can unite against the opposing forces (however defined).
This is not the end of civilization. Not to worry - that will come over the next few years. I am convinced this is just a dress rehearsal, which will be followed by a bounce up. Then peak will hit in earnest.
So...view this time as an opportunity. Speak to others of their fear. Gather the strong together - and avoid the weak. Then, when the main event develops you will be ready.
The time of the lambs ceases. The age of the wolves approaches. Gather your pack.
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