I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
I'm not only NOT leaving the fair city of Dallas, but I'm about to sign a two-year lease on a house. Not that I don't believe in imminent doom around the corner, but I have a feeling we are going to one extreme or the other. I figure if I have to break the lease to bug out, it will be because of the nightly riots in the city from those without jobs, and the landlord will have counted himself lucky to even have a paying tenant in those conditions.
In the same vein, it might be a good time to go to firefighting school. _________________ "It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
Arsenal wrote:
oswald622 wrote:
I'm not going anywhere, for a few reasons.
3. It's short-sighted and futile. The collapse will only last a short time; the New Order of the Ages will soon rise from the ashes like a phoenix.
In that short time you might not make it. That is the point. To get out until things stabilize. Something will take over and establish law but that might not be for a month or longer. Being in the hot zone could be very bad. Shootings, riots, looting, martial law....
Maybe I should have added:
4. I live in the most ag-based county in central California. My house sits on an almond orchard surrounded by sweet potato fields and peach trees. We have our own well and septic system and lots of family live nearby. There is also a vibrant underground economy fueled by the efforts of Hmong and Mexican farm workers; their open-air market does business right down the street.
Joined: Mar 18, 2008 Posts: 393 Location: Upstate New York
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
oswald622 wrote:
Maybe I should have added:
4. I live in the most ag-based county in central California. My house sits on an almond orchard surrounded by sweet potato fields and peach trees. We have our own well and septic system and lots of family live nearby. There is also a vibrant underground economy fueled by the efforts of Hmong and Mexican farm workers; their open-air market does business right down the street.
That sounds better than where I am currently at. Big city but my bug out place is in upstate NY and we are setup pretty well there.
So it is really important that we get out before everyone else. We have all the gas needed to make the trip x3 and we have four different routes just in case they close the major highways. We will see if it is enough. _________________ Arsenal
The tragedy of modern war is that the young men die fighting each other - instead of their real enemies back home in the capitals. - Edward Abbey
A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years.
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
I'm happy here, near Paris. Finally, I prefer to be vaporized by a thermonuclear weapon instead of dying alone slowly, eating some ugly food or dead people in the forest.
Look, my job is here (elementary public school teacher), my wife too (she got a shop). I have some cash on hand (more in bank), and funny stuffs like bike, books, crossbow, cranck radio, water purifier...
We don't have debts, a house behind the shop which belongs to us. Damn, why would I went away???
Joined: Jun 03, 2008 Posts: 190 Location: Terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
I don't believe that "bugging out" is a real solution. Unless you and yours have spent significant time creating a completely sustainable and defensible bug out. Stocked with food, independent water and power, etc. That was my goal, but ran out of time and capital. I was hoping for a 2010-2012 collapse. Oops. Anyway, I have food, fuel, water and defense at my current home. It is backed to a waterway and minutes from my work (while I have a job) I have two kids in school and my wife is in college. Until we pull the plug on "the world", we stay. I have a potential bug out with some older PO aware friends who have farm, off-grid power and water, and plenty of merchantable timber.
No battle plan survives contact with the enemy- Colin Powell _________________ Who are you going to turn to when all the crazy Peak-oil doomers end up being right?
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
I am staying in San Francisco. I have two disabled parents (who don't get along with each other) living in town, and no means to get them out. I am honestly not prepared by any standard except that my expenses are low, for what that's worth. All I can do is be prepared to lend a hand in my community and hope for the best. If I don't survive, I want to know that I behaved honorably to the end.
Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4886 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
BigTex wrote:
I'm going to hang around a little longer.
I signed up for a 10 week square dancing class and I have 7 more classes to go, so I want to at least get that finished before I bug out. If I were to leave now, I would be letting down the other members of my square.
You're killing me today BT. Hilarious, man.
Anyhow, I can't even think of bugging out until I experience the satisfaction of watching the punk kid with the loud exhaust a block from here get his new Civic repossessed.
Then maybe we'll head for the hills. _________________ Got Dharma?
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
BigTex wrote:
I'm going to hang around a little longer.
I signed up for a 10 week square dancing class and I have 7 more classes to go, so I want to at least get that finished before I bug out. If I were to leave now, I would be letting down the other members of my square.
Joined: May 27, 2007 Posts: 1723 Location: The Post Peak Oil Historian
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
Deliveries or certain goods such as food and fuel will start being delayed or cancelled. When you start seeing empty spaces on the shelves and gas stations out of gas or closing, that's your sign.
This could happen quickly. A couple years back a transportation strike in GB emptied shelves within 3 days. _________________ In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell
It riles them to believe that you perceive the webs they weave. - Moody Blues
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 3228 Location: Resiliency Farm
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
Still here.
I will be around until I am driven into the hills. _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
Joined: Oct 10, 2008 Posts: 5 Location: Anaheim, California, USA
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
I've been equally preparing and freaking since I have been reading your forums for the last 2 weeks. Still feeling I will never have done enough or the right thing. I appreciate all the wonderful advice and links from Peak Oil.
Was planning on selling house in Calif., moving to Southern Indiana in the near future (next couple of years) and buying rural place with a little acreage, then have a little money left over, but now I don't know if I'll be able to sell my house in this freefall. The house is my only retirement. Seems like I'm a little late...
At some point prior to martial law will I have the guts to just walk away (even though the monthly payment is low and I owe less than $100,000) and run for the hills of southern Indiana with husband, dogs and cats in a Toyota Corolla and not much else? I'm having a hard time processing this possible future. How will I get enough gas to get back to Indiana? As you can see from my signature, I'm trying to keep a positive attitude in this situation, but everyday it gets harder and harder. _________________ All is well. Everything is working out for my highest good. Out of this situation only good will come. I am safe.
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
zoidberg wrote:
When the Army is deployed to your city.
edit: close post. I'd say though that martial law would be too late. There should be some time after the deployment before curfews and martial law is imposed(or at least attempted)
However dont let the current credit crisis hysteria provoke you to move too soon. Theres at least one more boomlet coming up before the long grind down. Estimated start date, 3Q 2009.
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