I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:41 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
cranky wrote:
I've been equally preparing and freaking since I have been reading your forums for the last 2 weeks. Still feeling I will never have done enough or the right thing. I appreciate all the wonderful advice and links from Peak Oil.
Was planning on selling house in Calif., moving to Southern Indiana in the near future (next couple of years) and buying rural place with a little acreage, then have a little money left over, but now I don't know if I'll be able to sell my house in this freefall. The house is my only retirement. Seems like I'm a little late...
At some point prior to martial law will I have the guts to just walk away (even though the monthly payment is low and I owe less than $100,000) and run for the hills of southern Indiana with husband, dogs and cats in a Toyota Corolla and not much else? I'm having a hard time processing this possible future. How will I get enough gas to get back to Indiana? As you can see from my signature, I'm trying to keep a positive attitude in this situation, but everyday it gets harder and harder.
I think your positive attitude will help you better deal with stress in the future. But accepting things at face value helps too; all is definitely not well right now.
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
Sys1 wrote:
I'm happy here, near Paris. Finally, I prefer to be vaporized by a thermonuclear weapon instead of dying alone slowly, eating some ugly food or dead people in the forest.
Look, my job is here (elementary public school teacher), my wife too (she got a shop). I have some cash on hand (more in bank), and funny stuffs like bike, books, crossbow, cranck radio, water purifier...
We don't have debts, a house behind the shop which belongs to us. Damn, why would I went away???
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
When to Bug Out??
1. When ATM debit cards don't work. Not just yours but everybodys. Note: credit cards don't count, they may be gone next week.
2. When your pay check ethier dosn't come as expected or bounces. Without cash how long can you last where you are? Again this is more important if others are having the same problem.
3. If you wait for the riots to start you will be to late to get out as the cops or National Guard will be controlling the highways.
4. Don't burn your bridges. If they manage to stop the panic you may want the option of coming back and picking up the pieces.
Joined: Nov 15, 2007 Posts: 339 Location: US East Coast
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
Ah, this is the question that is of most relevance.
I have been surprised by the speed things appear to be unraveling. I am also surprised by the way they are going down.
My analogy is to a house of cards, you are sure it will fall, but which way? Our global society is "critically coupled" and so many, many things can influence it.
As a start my wife and I agree that we split when we have to reach for a gun for protection. Not immediate protection from an invader, but knowing that you want the gun beside you - just in case.
That may be sufficient for some forms of collapse such as we are now facing. However, other types may occur where that would not be an option. Say, for example, some form of contagion. That could cause them to close highways with almost no warning. Or what if a nuke goes off somewhere. Could freeze all travel instantly.
We are all focused on the current crisis. What happens if some secondary crises, of a different nature, were to arise out of this or come up coincidentally?
I just don't feel I have a good grip on this answer of what our canary is. At a different time and place I would have said I should have left already. Oh how we get accustomed to our situation.
Does anyone know of any research done on the Jews in the '30's? Who left and why? What made them leave when others stayed? Maybe there is an answer there? _________________ When going through hell, keep going! Churchill
Nothing is ever lost by courtesy. It is the the cheapest of pleasures, costs nothing, and conveys much. E Wiman
I know there’s no solution, so I just enjoy what’s here and I enjoy the journey G Carlin
Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 6684 Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
Revi wrote:
I'm already in the hills. Unfortunately it's cold around here. I think it's a scary place to be, but so is everywhere else.
Exactly. And for virtually all of us, "the hills" are the scariest place of all. Get real, people.
Our plans for Armageddon? We're going ahead with our master bedroom remodel project. _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Joined: Aug 14, 2005 Posts: 398 Location: Mississippi Delta
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
Right now, I come into town most days, but then town is 18,000 souls and <5 miles from my door. I might be making the trip a little less in the near future, but then again, I'll go wherever someone is willing to give me something of value for my vegetables...
IOW, I might "bug in" a little less often. _________________ Sarah Palin: Because what we really need right now is another inexperienced, inarticulate, personable, fundamentalist governor of an oil-dependent state for president.
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
I'm in the southern Indiana hills and I love it. Lived here for a long time, and I ain't going anywhere. I know my way around, know all the people, and yes, we have our share of stinkers, like everywhere else. But with fewer people than cities, it's a lot easier to sort 'em out!
My firm belief has always been to find your bugout spot, and make your home there, for good. _________________ Local fix-it guy..
Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 1157 Location: Chicago, IL
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
hope_full wrote:
When will you know it's time to blow this popsicle stand and abandon your job and happy home and grab your groceries and head for the hills?
When the National Guard knocks on my door with a loaded automatic weapon and handcuffs. _________________ 9/29/08, cube, The Dow will drop to 4,000 within 2 years
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
We couldn't head for the hills if we wanted to right now.
I will say, should the economy hold up, I'm seriously investigating the possibility of saving toward the purchase of what some call a "hobby farm".
If we EVER pull out of debt, and if we EVER manage to purchase land of any sort it will be land to facilitate our (and our children's) freedom from the system.
If I can pull it off (which I doubt) my children will become the sort of adults who can cover their needs (food, shelter, hygene) without boatloads of help from a world like the one we have now.
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
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Does anyone know of any research done on the Jews in the '30's? Who left and why? What made them leave when others stayed? Maybe there is an answer there?
Yes. I just read "No Time To Mourn" for this very reason. The answers were haunting to say the least. There was massive denial, even though some of those who climbed out of the death pits made their way back to the towns to warn the others. They were not believed, except by a few. These were the ones who left, or chose to stay in the ghettos and figured out how to smuggle in arms and create a resistance from within.
After all, the truth was just too awful to be believed by the vast majority. Most could not comprehend the enormity and gravity of the situation.... "Just be a good citizen, do what you're told, co-operate, and things will eventually get better."
This book was written by one of the few who chose to flee to the forests and fight.
snippet of review:
"The author was the only one of his immediate family to escape the Holocaust, his accounts are moving and more than once did I find myself having to reread a paragraph or two to realize that what I'm reading is actually written there. Details of life under German occupation and in a German ghetto, running away from a ghetto and stumbling into the forests in seek of rumored Partisans. Finding them and other groups of entire families as they try to make the best of the situation as they struggle to survive in the forests and wilderness of Eastern Europe while the Germans and their collaborators keep an ever watchful eye out for them. Joining a Partisan group and giving battle to the Germans and those who are helping them by betraying their former friends and neighbors, all of this is recounted with the utmost feeling and, in my opinion, honesty."
and
"It is estimated that there were approximately twenty-five thousand Jews that escaped to the forests during the Holocaust.
The True Story of a Jewish Partisan Fighter states that many historians dismiss the plight of Jewish partisan resistance as inconsequential due to the fact that there were small numbers who survived as compared to the millions who were murdered in the Holocaust. However, these historians fail to understand the enormity of their struggle. As he most appropriately asserts: "The question should not be, why did more Jews not resist, but rather, how, under the circumstances, was any resistance possible at all?"
Take heed and learn from the past, folks. This should be required reading. Also the DVD "The Partisans of Vilna" deals with the same subject. Very moving documentary.
Quag
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