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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:58 am    Post subject: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Oil down to $78. Gold down $82 so far today. Silver is down $2.50 today to $9.50. This is amazing.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

What really sucks is there is no silver or gold to find. APMEX is completely out. Deflation is the game it looks like but if you can hold off selling your PM, inflation will hit sometime afterwords. IMHO.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If I was going to think about investing in a metal besides copper jacketed lead, it would be silver. Eventually it's going to skyrocket again.

I may be talking like a damned fool, but between the two, the idea of deflation strikes me as more managable than than hyper-inflation.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

We could get mired in a long term deflation, not measured in fiscal quarters but in years, decades. It's definitely deflationary, at the moment though. No doubt. But, remember the govt has a "tool kit" and they plan to use it, which would mean inflation. But, one thing can most assuredly be counted on and that is much much lower standard of living in the developed world.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hogan wrote:
SPG, just wait until later when the Fed tries to print their way out of the depression. Hyper-inflation all the way. Hold onto that physical gold.

I don't got no gold, but I'm holding my silver. I paid $17 each for silver eagles two days ago.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

smallpoxgirl wrote:
Oil down to $78. Gold down $82 so far today. Silver is down $2.50 today to $9.50. This is amazing.

This deflation masks an underlying fear (and rush to the dollar)...the fear of war!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I wouldn't put too much credence in the posted price for gold. That number for the paper market, IOW, the people who think they're buying something that might not even exist.

Go check out Kitco, CNI, NW Territorial, etc. Right now they're paying over spot to anyone foolish enough to part with their PM's and there is no physical product available.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Remember, it is not the crash that will cause the hyperinflation, but the government's response to the crash, which comes later.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

mattduke wrote:
Remember, it is not the crash that will cause the hyperinflation, but the government's response to the crash, which comes later.

I'm not sure we have to wait that long. I think Mr. Paulson just bought us a huge chunk of the stock market. 8 days of the world about to end, then suddenly there's a 800 point rally right in the last hour of trading going into a three day weekend. No way that was anyone but treasury doing that. Looks like they're trying to run it up above 9,000.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

smallpoxgirl wrote:
mattduke wrote:
Remember, it is not the crash that will cause the hyperinflation, but the government's response to the crash, which comes later.
I'm not sure we have to wait that long. I think Mr. Paulson just bought us a huge chunk of the stock market. 8 days of the world about to end, then suddenly there's a 800 point rally right in the last hour of trading going into a three day weekend. No way that was anyone but treasury doing that. Looks like they're trying to run it up above 9,000.

I was expecting this. How else could they forestall a bloodbath in after hours trading. This will hold the line till monday with rumours of bargain hunting.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Sure seems like we are heading for low inflation or even deflation now, but when we reach peak oil in a few years, what then?

Though I guess this recession will push peak oil away a further year or three. The peak in 2015 guesses don't seem so weird anymore.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

With retail silver unavailable, we should expect to see a lot more futures traders taking delivery. I may do that myself. Then we shall really see if the markets are manipulated. If COMEX can't deliver, we will finally see a skyrocket in silver prices.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

americandream wrote:
I was expecting this. How else could they forestall a bloodbath in after hours trading. This will hold the line till monday with rumours of bargain hunting.

Yeah. I'm guessing this was also sort of a test. They were trying this to see if it would work so they could decide whether to close the exchange on Monday.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Physical silver did not go down in price today. Ebay bars are at $1600, almost 60% over the paper price.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Deflation It Is Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ALRITE, I will reluctently, admit this looks like deflation. But just wait, me and all the other inflation believers will get our day in the sun. After you deflationist are done laughing it up you better go out and get some sun screen.

Oil will probably come back up soon. We all know they will slow supply to get the higher price, it just takes time to feel it. .

I was VERY confused with gold and silver today.. And sad, I want to see gold and silver go up,, UP
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