I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4331 Location: Graceland
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
While we're on the subject of doomer literature and history, for anyone who hasn't read Cormac McCarthy's "The Road", it's like putting a couple of big donuts on your doomer bat while you're getting loose in the on-deck circle.
After reading it, you'll feel like you're ready for anything, though you'll be tempted to drive straight to the grocery store to see if it's still open and if it is you will want to buy everything they have. _________________
Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 6976 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
BigTex wrote:
After reading it, you'll feel like you're ready for anything, though you'll be tempted to drive straight to the grocery store to see if it's still open and if it is you will want to buy everything they have.
Or at least a P-38 and a wrench to fit your local shopping cart wheels. _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
BigTex wrote:
While we're on the subject of doomer literature and history, for anyone who hasn't read Cormac McCarthy's "The Road", it's like putting a couple of big donuts on your doomer bat while you're getting loose in the on-deck circle.
After reading it, you'll feel like you're ready for anything, though you'll be tempted to drive straight to the grocery store to see if it's still open and if it is you will want to buy everything they have.
I'm part way through it at the moment, BT. I'm thinking I really should have chosen something more uplifting right now.
I borrowed it from a friend, who has, until now, been immune to my doomer prognostications, but reading it has spooked the crap out of him and he no longer snickers at my canned food collection. _________________ "Who knows what the Second Law of Thermodynamics will be like in a hundred years?" - Economist speaking during planning for World Population Conference in early 1970s
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
hope_full wrote:
What should we city dwellers be watching? What is OUR "canary in the coal mine"?
For me it is the very first instance of the outbreak of hostilities with Iran. Considering the fact that Iran has the ability to eliminate the flow of up to 30% of the worlds oil is something I take very seriously. If there ever will be a preview of Post Peak Oil conditions 20 years from now, that will be it.
When it happens expect to see empty grocery store shelves, abandoned cars and trucks along the streets, power blackouts, and hungry, frightened, and bewildered city dwellers roaming about.
When the first missile takes off in the direction of Iran, I git... No questions asked.
Joined: May 24, 2008 Posts: 128 Location: Park County, Wyoming
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
With "US" playing the part of the Tar Baby in Iraq and Afghanistan, there aren't enough deployable troops here at home to make a pissants impact. The militarized poe-leece that the feds have created in every hamlet across the land have their own family and skins to think about. (Recall how during Katrina.... a substantial number of poe-leece abandoned their posts and evacuated with the families. I'm sure that didn't go un-noticed at the seats of power.)
Personally, I think the time may be coming when the politicians and the power brokers are the ones "heading for the hills" as they see the peasants approaching with pitchforks in one hand, blazing torches in the other, and a "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore" look on their faces.
Look at the politicians in America today...
Average net worth of our 100 Senators = $8.9 million
G.W. Bush net worth = Estimates from $8 to $135 million
Dick Cheney net worth = Estimates from $30 to $100 million
Henry Paulson net worth = $700 million
John McCain net worth = $40 million
Barak Obama net worth = Unknown, but 2007 income was $4.2 million
Do you honestly think that these folks have anything in common with us commoners? Do you think they can possibly view us as anything but working class cattle that need to be housed and fed so we can produce goods and services for them? Do you think they really give a hoot in hell about our hopes and aspirations?
Am I heading for the hills? Not this time... not this time.
Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 1157 Location: Chicago, IL
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
WyoDutch wrote:
Recall how during Katrina.... a substantial number of poe-leece abandoned their posts and evacuated with the families. I'm sure that didn't go un-noticed at the seats of power.
Good point. I guess if the Natl Guard knocks, I'll pretend not be home.
WyoDutch wrote:
G.W. Bush net worth = Estimates from $8 to $135 million
Was this a typo? That's 16-17 times margin of error. _________________ 9/29/08, cube, The Dow will drop to 4,000 within 2 years
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
I bet Bush is anxious to get out of office so he can head to the hills of Paraguay.
" According to an Associated Press article that appeared in the Chicago Examiner last Friday," (March of this year) "Bush's younger brother Neil has recently visited Paraguay and met with that country's president Nicanor Duarte and a delegation from the Universal Peace Federation, a group associated with the Rev. Sun Myung Moon. "
"Reports first surfaced in the fall of 2006 that Bush has purchased land in Paraguay for such a compound. As the article says,
"An Argentine official regarded the intention of the George W. Bush family to settle on the Acuifero Guarani (Paraguay) as surprising, besides being a bad signal for the governments of the region. Luis D Elia, undersecretary for the Social Habitat in the Argentine Federal Planning Ministry, issued a memo... in which he spoke of the purchase by Bush of a 98,842-acre farm in northern Paraguay, between Brazil and Bolivia..."
"Bush is also believed to have purchased this land because of its massive supply of fresh water as part of his approach to global warming. The writer of this piece ominously asks,
You think he knows something we don't?""
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Joined: May 30, 2008 Posts: 272 Location: On the highway, or the water somewhere!
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
Cid_Yama wrote:
Deliveries or certain goods such as food and fuel will start being delayed or cancelled. When you start seeing empty spaces on the shelves and gas stations out of gas or closing, that's your sign.
This could happen quickly. A couple years back a transportation strike in GB emptied shelves within 3 days.
I'm not going, neither are millions of my brothers and sisters. Being as YOUR STORE is one week from empty shelves without us, we feel a need to try to keep the country together in what ever shape we can in what ever method we can.
As to when to leave, when the trucks are not coming to your stores, you will either leave or eat each other.
ps the national guard will be WALKING after the first week. _________________ Courtesy and Courage, Sincerity and Self-control, Honor and Loyalty...a Code to Live By!
Where is my wooden pitchfork and torch anyway? I may need them for a visit to the castle soon!
Joined: Dec 25, 2005 Posts: 602 Location: Hillsboro, West Virginia
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
I headed for the hills in 1998. I bought my mountain cabin in 2000. It's in the Alleghenies just north of Hillsboro, West Virginia. I've been prepping ever since. I can last maybe five years on stores. I can do without electricity, too. I've already made the adjustment to living without running water in the house, after the pump motor burned out and I decided not to get another one. By doing without I'm getting ahead on the powerdown learning curve. I've built myself an outhouse and engineered a no-electricity water system. I have thirty or so apple trees growing up, now over five years old, plus a dozen or so nut trees of similar age. And my area (Pocahontas County) has farms, animal ranches (cows, sheep, horses, goats) and locally grown animal feed. And a low population density, mostly hard working White people. We can make it, I think, if the government doesn't mess with the local economy. And, if it does, I'll just try to be very, very quiet and inconspicuous. I'm a mile from the highway and screened therefrom by a fold in the land. I'm letting the deciduous trees that sprout in my front yard grow. In a few more years, my house will be invisible even from the mountain trail that runs up past it.
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4331 Location: Graceland
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
Jenab6 wrote:
I headed for the hills in 1998. I bought my mountain cabin in 2000. It's in the Alleghenies just north of Hillsboro, West Virginia. I've been prepping ever since. I can last maybe five years on stores. I can do without electricity, too. I've already made the adjustment to living without running water in the house, after the pump motor burned out and I decided not to get another one. By doing without I'm getting ahead on the powerdown learning curve. I've built myself an outhouse and engineered a no-electricity water system. I have thirty or so apple trees growing up, now over five years old, plus a dozen or so nut trees of similar age. And my area (Pocahontas County) has farms, animal ranches (cows, sheep, horses, goats) and locally grown animal feed. And a low population density, mostly hard working White people. We can make it, I think, if the government doesn't mess with the local economy. And, if it does, I'll just try to be very, very quiet and inconspicuous. I'm a mile from the highway and screened therefrom by a fold in the land. I'm letting the deciduous trees that sprout in my front yard grow. In a few more years, my house will be invisible even from the mountain trail that runs up past it.
Do you have a good woman who can dress game, work a wash tub and who looks sexy in a flour sack dress?
If you don't you ought to keep an eye out for one before TSHTF. _________________
Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4886 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
BigTex wrote:
Jenab6 wrote:
I headed for the hills in 1998. I bought my mountain cabin in 2000. It's in the Alleghenies just north of Hillsboro, West Virginia. I've been prepping ever since. I can last maybe five years on stores. I can do without electricity, too. I've already made the adjustment to living without running water in the house, after the pump motor burned out and I decided not to get another one. By doing without I'm getting ahead on the powerdown learning curve. I've built myself an outhouse and engineered a no-electricity water system. I have thirty or so apple trees growing up, now over five years old, plus a dozen or so nut trees of similar age. And my area (Pocahontas County) has farms, animal ranches (cows, sheep, horses, goats) and locally grown animal feed. And a low population density, mostly hard working White people. We can make it, I think, if the government doesn't mess with the local economy. And, if it does, I'll just try to be very, very quiet and inconspicuous. I'm a mile from the highway and screened therefrom by a fold in the land. I'm letting the deciduous trees that sprout in my front yard grow. In a few more years, my house will be invisible even from the mountain trail that runs up past it.
Do you have a good woman who can dress game, work a wash tub and who looks sexy in a flour sack dress?
If you don't you ought to keep an eye out for one before TSHTF.
Joined: Nov 27, 2004 Posts: 235 Location: The District
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
Jenab6 wrote:
Quote:
...mostly hard working White people.
[sarcasm]Phew... well, as long as those hard working people are white.[/sarcasm] _________________ What fortune has made yours is not your own. -Seneca
Joined: Oct 15, 2005 Posts: 1618 Location: Portland, Oregon
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: Everyone who is NOT heading for the hills, raise your ha
I am ready for the zombies baby. Staying in the city. I got my rainwater catchment, my big food garden, my chickens, my root cellar filled with food and my guns.
Oh and I know most of my neighbors and have a good network of friends when the collapse comes. I expect Argentina/Post-Soviet Union Russia/Cuba.
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