We are entering the stage where ideology and education about sustainability and living within carrying capacity will be augmented by the reality of identifiable consequences of our overshoot. External consequences like the peaking and decline of below ground energy and commodity resources, above ground environmental degradation of our climate, soils, fisheries and climate will have a profound effect on our culture.
2009 is the year when we start to feel it.
ok. i realize that the process in which oil is created typically takes hundreds of thousands of years, and even if it isn't made using the techniques taught in school, it still must take a long time or else the earth would have been completely covered in oil a while ago. HOWEVER, i've found a site that seems to think that there are still ways to get oil out of the ground, though it looks like the EROI is lower then normal. whats your opinion of http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html ???
Joined: Jan 03, 2005 Posts: 137 Location: South Carolina
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:54 pm Post subject:
Wow you mean to say that Peak Oil is a Zionist Illuminate Scam, to Depopulate the Earth, and not only that but the the Dec 26 Tsunami was caused by a nuclear Weapon
ok. i realize that the process in which oil is created typically takes hundreds of thousands of years, and even if it isn't made using the techniques taught in school, it still must take a long time or else the earth would have been completely covered in oil a while ago. HOWEVER, i've found a site that seems to think that there are still ways to get oil out of the ground, though it looks like the EROI is lower then normal. whats your opinion of http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html ???
You know you have been a member of a web forum to long when you start to see the same old crap get recycled for the umpteenth time.
Look dude or dudette, this story has been disected and destroyed a number of times already on this site. Go do a quick read on an old thread and educate yourself to why this is complete bullshit. _________________ Simon's Law: Everything put together falls apart sooner or later.
I don't think of all the misery, but of all the beauty that still remains.--Anne Frank
ok. i realize that the process in which oil is created typically takes hundreds of thousands of years, and even if it isn't made using the techniques taught in school, it still must take a long time or else the earth would have been completely covered in oil a while ago. HOWEVER, i've found a site that seems to think that there are still ways to get oil out of the ground, though it looks like the EROI is lower then normal. whats your opinion of http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html ???
My understanding is oil is only found at very specific depths -- below a
certain depth heat and pressure 'crack' (breakdown) oil molecules to methane
(natural gas). If there are any 'abiotic' sources of hydrocarbons at great
depth they'll likely be methane.
Sounds bogus. Better wait for the laser drilling rigs JD speculated on, as
that's the only thing that will make deep drilling economically viable. I
believe a few boreholes have been drilled to close to 7 miles (both
in US and Europe) at great expense (and time -- took years) but
nothing was found.
ok, srry i didn't realize it had been gone through already. i dind't mean to support the site, i was asking for your opinions on it. note that i used the phrase "seems to think", not "says". but yes, thank you for your input
The Abiotic Oil Theory, as the site you've linked describes, has been dealt with elsewhere on this site. Try here and here for starters. Or, here's some of the results from using the forum search for the phrase "abiotic oil" (without quotes). _________________ "It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:02 pm Post subject: 1billion to 6billion with Petro
Please Listen…Before it’s to late!
If you can think without your "American Dream" bias, you will soon see that the underlying issue is the building up of defense to maintain "the American Way of Life". In the past two decades things have changed dramatically in regards to foreign oil dependency. This includes that the Asias(China,Japan,India)have become grosly dependent on the same oil we depend on) All have started implementing a oil stockpile strategy .We also have seen peaks in discovery of new oil wells in the 1970s . In the 1950's we were using about 50million barrels per day, now we are using around 75 million barrels per day worldwide. Many physicist believe that our limit to production may very well be around 110 million barrels per day. In the 1970's America expirienced its first energy crisis, where we only saw a drop of about 5% in production. (That is all that is needed to cripple our nation, OIL DOES NOT NEED TO RUN OUT TO CAUSE A COLLAPSE)
So, what do we do as Americans, well we pretend to believe that there is sufficient research and advancement of alternative energies, where as the US energy policy contradicts thees “pipe dreams”. Simply stated the US energy policy (dealing with the aspect of oil production decrease) is to continue to build up a massive defensive program. If you cannot realize the importance and uniqueness of oil as an energy, then you have your eyes closed. What other liquid can push a 3000lb piece of metal 10 miles with one gallon. The bottle of water you buy everyday and throw away, the car you drive, plastics, paints, distribution systems (average piece of food travels 1500 miles before being consumed) are some of the many of thousands of luxuries we will have to live without if we want to avoid major global resource wars in the future. As long as we have a reason to send 150,000 troops to an oil abundant nation (terror) we will also be able to baby-sit our oil supplies on that side of the planet. Certainly people have come up with great ideas like hydrogen for instance. Another pipe dream, “the hydrogen economy” is a complete fallacy. At the moment the only economical hydrogen fuel cell must use platinum, which is a very finite resource (like oil) and would not come close to replacing the 700million vehicles worldwide. Even if it could, Hydrogen is currently a energy carrier, which means it takes more energy to create potable hydrogen then is actually given out. Furthermore, things you may not even connect with oil are: pesticides to maintain agriculture, running water, construction (6,500 gallons of gas per average house built) and our basic monetary system is controlled by the price of gas per gallon. If you can’t see the deeper turmoil that is brewing between the major contenders, China, America and the middle east, then maybe you are just another ignorant American, that comes home from work, turns on the big screen, and absorbs all of the propaganda that the US media has to offer.I certainly realize that our little hundred year spurt of burning off massive amounts of petrochemicals to create prosperity in America will not last through even the next two generations. If we do not address the situation of American over consumption, and global overpopulation, we will have no choice but to go to war to maintain the same increase in energy consumption we see each year.
Sincerely
Matthew E. Coyle
University Films Production Executive
*Coming soon, the end of the industrial age, the beginning of the resource
Joined: May 26, 2004 Posts: 309 Location: Ontario, Canada
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:21 pm Post subject:
My favourite anti-abiotic thread in these forums: http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic844.html+oil _________________ "Our forces are now closer to the center of Baghdad than most American commuters are to their downtown office."
--Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, April 2003
Meanwhile if you can refute Tom Golds [sic] theories I'd like to hear it!
YAAAWWWWNN.
Sorry.
The Burden of Proof is on you and other Goldilocks theorists to refute the ORTHODOX theory, not the other way away.
Abiotic oil is CREATIONISM.
(Tell me: which oilfields have regenerated themselves?) _________________ "By the time individuals discover that remaining resources will not be adequate for the next generation, the next generation has already been born. " David Price
Joined: Jul 17, 2004 Posts: 490 Location: Amerika (most of the time)
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:16 am Post subject:
Phil wrote:
This site is being overrun by retards.
Not only are they retards but they are lazy retards who do not know how to use the damn search feature. Moderators, can we please put a sticky at the top of the discussion talking about abiotic oil, brilliant Russians and the freaking Zionist conspiracy? _________________ Simon's Law: Everything put together falls apart sooner or later.
I don't think of all the misery, but of all the beauty that still remains.--Anne Frank
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: The Official Abiotic Oil Thread
Hi all I am new here and have a question. yesterday I read an article called Peak Oil Theory vs. Russian-Ukrainian Modern Theory.
The author seems to believe there is evidence the Russains have been drilling abiotic oil.
Quote:
It has long since been much more than a theory and for twenty years Russian drillers have successfully brought in super deep wells using it. The deepest exploratory hole went to 40,000 feet. Russia, once regarded as having little potential, is now, along with ourselves and Saudi Arabia one of the top three oil producers in the world. There are more than 80 oil and gas fields in the Caspian district, all producing from crystalline basement rock. 90 petroleum fields have been developed in western Siberia. "11 major and one giant field have been developed in the Dnieper-Donets basin;" there are 20 wells in Viet Nam producing at 17,000 feet in areas that Western experts considered not worth exploring.
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