Joined: Jan 16, 2005 Posts: 292 Location: Delft, Netherlands
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:02 pm Post subject:
AirlinePilot wrote:
I'm actually quite surprised we haven't seen a nuke yet.
Collapsing the Twin Towers did the job, didn't it? If the American public or the international community succeeds in forcing the US to back off from the Middle East, we might see a nuke ...
Joined: Apr 05, 2005 Posts: 2407 Location: South of Atlanta
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:15 pm Post subject:
Phil,
Yes, action within the realm of reason and appropriate for the size and scope of the problems ahead. I'm working on it here
I frankly doubt that the American public will succeed in getting us to back down in the middle east. It's about the oil, I think I knew that one all along. A lot of other folks do to and don't neccessarily disagree with that idea either. Killing lots of capitalist american infidels all at once is the modus operandi of the Al Queda mind. The job won't ever be done to them as long as we are around. I see this as a fundamental issue not really up for debate. I think we had a definite impact on thier ability to take this campaign to us by going over there the way we did. If we let the pressure off even a little STF by.
Phil, you have got one set of fast fingers - inside of two minutes you managed to receive, read, quote, and type a response to AirlinePilot - Nicely done !
Joined: Jan 16, 2005 Posts: 292 Location: Delft, Netherlands
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:40 pm Post subject:
notacornucopian wrote:
Phil, you have got one set of fast fingers - inside of two minutes you managed to receive, read, quote, and type a response to AirlinePilot - Nicely done !
People on the point of a nervous breakdown can do some amazing stuff. I should know!
Joined: Feb 03, 2005 Posts: 134 Location: Austin, Texas
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject:
Quote:
I don't think that many of us wanted to believe in the peak oil problem, but we were convinced by the facts.
It's interesting you should say this, because this is EXACTLY how I came to doubt the official version of 9/11. As hard as I tried to make it all fit, some of the evidence just didn't support the story we were being told. When I really started examining the facts, I couldn't help but notice the discrepancies, some of which I could see with my own eyes....starting with WTC7.
I still don't know what the whole truth is. I doubt we shall ever know. But I do know beyond a shadow of a doubt that SOME PARTS of the official story are bunk. A whitewashing and coverup at best. An indication of foreknowledge, if not outright complicity, at worst.
What does knowing this get me? Not much. Still, I've never been one to avert my eyes from the facts, even if they're ugly or painful. Does this make me a happier person? Probably not. But I believe it makes me a more genuine one. Personally, I would rather know the real deal, even if it's painful, than live my life in a make-believe world of appearances and comfortable illusions. It's one thing for a person to live on the sunny side of life because they refuse to look at or acknowledge the darkness that's really there. It's quite another to take an honest look at the real world in all its many facets, with full knowledge of the world's truth and lies, compassion and corruption, beauty and ugliness ....then choose to walk through one's life in light and loving anyway. This is what becoming a psychological adult and achieving spiritual maturity is all about.
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this is a good thread. call me crazy, but i totally agree with rupports theory about 911. the US government knew about peak oil along time ago and needed a fake terror attack to get the american people on board. it makes perfect sense. if you read and study all the different things going on and around the time of 911, its totally obvious. i love the video of wtc 7 emploding. the twin towers emploded also. the siesmagraphs show activity before the buildings collapsed. oklahoma city bombings , flight 800, 911, the plane that crashed right after 911 in ny, the list goes on and on. the election was also stolen. the exit polls prove that.
You're crazy.
Although I cannot say that such a conspriacy isn't impossible, I find it highly unlikely. The US could have probably found a better way to go to war and secure oil then by destroying some of its most valuble captial investments such as the WTC towers and the financial district that surrounded them. And to stage an attack on the pentagon, the heart of the US military? Thats a bit out there.
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I find it much more likely that a former (confirmed) CIA asset orchestrated the most spectacular attack in the history of the world using 20 whackjobs who probably couldn't properly run a 7-11, all from a cave in the middle of nowhere.
Unlike the theory that elements of the US government had something to do with the attacks, the theory that a couple of "puddle-jumper" flight school trained yahoos could pull off a stunt that fighter pilots have stated they would have been unable to do to be perfectly plausible.
Joined: Apr 05, 2005 Posts: 2407 Location: South of Atlanta
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject:
Matt,
I don't know what fighter pilot's your talking about, but this ex Navy Hornet driver (thats an F-18 ) could teach a few guys with limited flying time to do this stuff in just a few weeks, let alone do it myself! How long were they here? How much training did they get in proper simulators? Geeze even Microsoft flight simulator has some add-ons which are FREE which almost exactly duplicate all those aircraft type cockpits, right down to proper switchology and function. The hardest part of that whole operation was getting into the cockpits, not a big deal with the way we USED to do stuff. After that pretty simple really if you were ready to die to do it. Just my two centsworth. I don't deny that there are other potential explanations, I just don't think them likely.
Joined: Apr 11, 2005 Posts: 72 Location: Sin City, NV
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:51 am Post subject:
AirlinePilot wrote:
Matt,
I don't know what fighter pilot's your talking about, but this ex Navy Hornet driver (thats an F-18 ) could teach a few guys with limited flying time to do this stuff in just a few weeks, let alone do it myself! How long were they here? How much training did they get in proper simulators? Geeze even Microsoft flight simulator has some add-ons which are FREE which almost exactly duplicate all those aircraft type cockpits, right down to proper switchology and function. The hardest part of that whole operation was getting into the cockpits, not a big deal with the way we USED to do stuff. After that pretty simple really if you were ready to die to do it. Just my two centsworth. I don't deny that there are other potential explanations, I just don't think them likely.
Agreed.
And remember, they focused very heavily on their task. They didn't care about landing or all the "little things" about flying the plane. _________________ " Previous energy transitions were gradual and evolutionary. Oil peaking will be abrupt and revolutionary"
Phil, you have got one set of fast fingers - inside of two minutes you managed to receive, read, quote, and type a response to AirlinePilot - Nicely done !
People on the point of a nervous breakdown can do some amazing stuff. I should know!
I don't know what fighter pilot's your talking about, but this ex Navy Hornet driver (thats an F-18 ) could teach a few guys with limited flying time to do this stuff in just a few weeks, let alone do it myself! How long were they here? How much training did they get in proper simulators? Geeze even Microsoft flight simulator has some add-ons which are FREE which almost exactly duplicate all those aircraft type cockpits, right down to proper switchology and function. The hardest part of that whole operation was getting into the cockpits, not a big deal with the way we USED to do stuff. After that pretty simple really if you were ready to die to do it. Just my two centsworth. I don't deny that there are other potential explanations, I just don't think them likely.
I heartly agree that it would be relatively easy to learn to fly one of these buses. After all they just have to steer for a short time, the attackers let the professional take off. I've never been at the controls of an airplane, but I know I could, right now, keep one pointed in a straightline.
I am though thoroughly convinced that BushCo. deliberately allowed the attack to happen. Most people who have some type of conspiracy theory have watched way too many movies and over complicate the process.
With a few conversations, a few simple orders and in many cases the very simple act of doing nothing and the big things can be accomplished. Particularly at the very top of the power structure.
What convinced me that BushCo. was complicit in 9/11 was the lack of response from air defense. Air defense has been on hair trigger alert, and has practice responses, for 50+ years. Responding is almost genetic now. The only way you would get such a monumental failure is if there were orders put in the way of the normal response. Again, these doesn't have to be complicated, you can hang up a system in very simple ways. _________________ Gravity is not a force, it is a boundary layer.
Everything is coincident.
Love: the state of suspended anticipation.
To get any appreciable distance from the Earth in
a sensible amount of time, you must lie.
Rdsnt, you seem to be making the same kind of judgement that was made regarding discounting Ruppert's book without even reading it. How about this, you spend some of your money to have a flight instructor take you up in a Cessna, see if he is willing to let you pilot her for a few minutes while up in the air, and then get back to us with how you found the experience. If you can, maybe find out his opinion about the "Hanjour manouver" while you are at it. Then I would say you have more qualification in judging whether that part of the official story holds water.
And Airline Pilot, what in the world are you doing wasting your time in civilian aircraft ? The Air Force I am sure would reward you handsomely if you could show them how to turn the average Joe into a crack fighter pilot so easily.
Rdsnt, you seem to be making the same kind of judgement that was made regarding discounting Ruppert's book without even reading it. How about this, you spend some of your money to have a flight instructor take you up in a Cessna, see if he is willing to let you pilot her for a few minutes while up in the air, and then get back to us with how you found the experience. If you can, maybe find out his opinion about the "Hanjour manouver" while you are at it. Then I would say you have more qualification in judging whether that part of the official story holds water.
And Airline Pilot, what in the world are you doing wasting your time in civilian aircraft ? The Air Force I am sure would reward you handsomely if you could show them how to turn the average Joe into a crack fighter pilot so easily.
Well I guess I better add a bit more information then. We were talking about airplanes so I didn't add this however, I have been at the controls of a couple of helicopters, a huey and a sikorsky, in northern Alberta. Riding shotgun and the pilot let me handling things for a short while. This was many years ago, we were in level flight and I didn't embarrass myself.
A week of intensive practice and I could fly just about anything into a building. _________________ Gravity is not a force, it is a boundary layer.
Everything is coincident.
Love: the state of suspended anticipation.
To get any appreciable distance from the Earth in
a sensible amount of time, you must lie.
Okay, but in retrospect do you think after a few weeks of intensive training you would be able to not just pull off the descent part of that manouver, but to level a 757 ( which you have never flown ) out at 400 to 450 knots, clip the tops of the light standards off yet not even touch the grass immediately in front of the point of impact ? That's the part that does not add up as far as I can see.
Joined: Apr 05, 2005 Posts: 2407 Location: South of Atlanta
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject:
"And Airline Pilot, what in the world are you doing wasting your time in civilian aircraft ? The Air Force I am sure would reward you handsomely if you could show them how to turn the average Joe into a crack fighter pilot so easily."
I never said any such thing. I simply stated that I could train someone within a few hours to point one of these fairly easy to fly aircraft at a building and hit it. Even at low altitude. It doesn't require anything more than some simple motor skills, good eyesight, and a bit of luck. Your making something you percieve difficult into an excuse for a conspiracy theory. I sit here with a TON of experience and tell you it's just not that hard and you choose not to listen. Thats your perogative.
Okay, but in retrospect do you think after a few weeks of intensive training you would be able to not just pull off the descent part of that manouver, but to level a 757 ( which you have never flown ) out at 400 to 450 knots, clip the tops of the light standards off yet not even touch the grass immediately in front of the point of impact ? That's the part that does not add up as far as I can see.
I can't dispute your point, it's quite valid. However, aren't you looking at this from the perspective of a repeatable action, which I agree would require an enormous amount of skill. If however the pilot's intension was never to repeat it again(suicide) then it just requires a bit of luck. Just a particular chain of events that lead to that outcome. _________________ Gravity is not a force, it is a boundary layer.
Everything is coincident.
Love: the state of suspended anticipation.
To get any appreciable distance from the Earth in
a sensible amount of time, you must lie.
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