Hell, just consider the fact that women's menstrual cycle is exactly the same as that of the moon's.
That's just a coincidence. We're the only animal whose menstrual cycle is 28 days. Chimpanzees have menstrual cycles 29 days long, and orangutans have 27 day menstrual cycles.
Joined: Jul 09, 2004 Posts: 71 Location: Sunny San Diego
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:59 am Post subject:
Interesting replies! I've got a book on Mayan culture around here somewhere. Seems to me that what they predicted was a pole shift? I've got Velivkosky's books too. But I’m sure there is a board in here somewhere about the predictive arts, so I’ll keep looking until I find it.
Back to subject, which I believe is planning a sustainable community. Say there is total economic collapse. How does a community of ordinary folk protect 360 degrees - 24/7 for the two or three (or ten or twenty) years? Most likely, it will degrade into shooting first and asking questions later.
I still think people are going to have to get off the ground to survive the die off. From the roof of a (well picked) building, you could protect your community easily! With the right preparation, it could be sustained for several years.
Again though, this idea is based on my lack of resources.
Trip
Joined: Jul 17, 2004 Posts: 11 Location: Los Angeles
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 1:02 pm Post subject: protection
No doubt, we will be descending into a society where everyone is going to want what you have... very very badly. I plan on stocking up on weapons and ammunition as soon as I start making steady income. Also, learning how to set landmines and other various booby traps will be important. I bought a few army field manuals... one on Survival, one on medicine, one on top secret "dirty tricks." I often think of Terminator 2 when they go to see their heavily armed friends in new mexico or arizona. I think that's the main idea for the peak oil movement. Find somewhere far away and secluded, set up a self-sufficient lifestyle of some kind as soon as you can, stockpile weapons, and wait for peak oil to hit the rest of the world. Then, get ready.
Another thing I'm concerned about is debt. I don't wanna drop out and leave my family taking care of my debt in a world gone haywire. The way I figure it, as soon as I get rid of my debt and have enough money to buy some land in southern mexico (my girlfriend's mexican-american and speaks fluent spanish) and buy necessary supplies to start a self-sufficient lifestyle, we're gone. I don't know anyone who wants to join in quite yet, but I figure some of my good friends will wanna come down once crap starts nailin' the fan... hopefully. I think it's hard for some people to make the decision to completely leave everything in our industrial society and start over for real. There's always that sense of hope that MAYBE we're just freakin' out here. It's still hard for me to digest it all and think, "Holy hell... civilization as we know it is going to collapse in on itself well within my lifetime." Just because of non-renewable energy. How could we do this to ourselves?
I just pray that the wealthy and powerful are more unprepared than most and die off. Unfortunately, I think they know all too well what's going to happen and are making their elite preparations, making sure not to say anything to their subjects so as not to cause panic... panic is no good for the market. I have a bad feeling that even this second go-round with human civilization, if the elites survive, so will their ideas and their insatiable desire to control what they can while enslaving who they can.
As http://www.crimethinc.com says:
"Help me not to hate the ones I must destroy." Should we destroy the rich before settling into our communes?
Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 6497 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:06 pm Post subject:
A bag of beans costs much less than a weapon. Get 50# of beans and some stored water if you are worried about the immediate future of your family- then get a big stick.
Firearms are overrated as a means of survival - unless they are tools to get water and food. _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Joined: Jul 17, 2004 Posts: 11 Location: Los Angeles
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:04 pm Post subject:
I don't know, Pops. Maybe it's the paranoid little devil sitting on my right shoulder, but I have a feeling that when unprepared people start waking up to the fact that they can't go out and buy what they need to survive, they're gonna start looking for people they can take from, and the people they'll be able to take from are those of us who've bought the beans, the rice, the rations, the solar panels, the wind turbines, dug the wells, etc. It'll be the ole Ant & Grasshopper story, I suspect. Only so many will survive and those who are destined to die will certainly look for any alternative they can and will resort to any means necessary just so that they and their loved ones don't die. Mosty likely, they will have to be shot, or at the very least scared away.
I'd think twice before you open fire, however: If you shoot someone's brother they've got one more reason to kill you and take everything of value - revenge.
Joined: Jul 17, 2004 Posts: 11 Location: Los Angeles
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:08 pm Post subject:
Exactly. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a gun nut. I don't even own a gun. It's just one of those things I think about for the post-peak era. I figure you would need to post signs around the perimeter of your location informing people of how they should approach your place and how they should identify themselves to a watchout. Also, there's the problem of having guns around in an isolated situation. If tensions should rise for any reason or if someone straight-up loses it, all they'd have to do is grab a gun and kill. I don't know... _________________ "And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forbodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon"
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:16 pm Post subject: Unlimited Cost Solution
Well, with unlimited money, I'd move to an agricultural district, one as far away from population centres as possible. So, for Yanks and Canadians, I'm guessing the likes of Idaho, Nebraska or Saskatchewan. Anyway, find a small town, population of about 5,000 and set yourself up.
Get a house close to the centre of town, integrate yourself into the local community (go to church if you really have to). Get your kids into the local school, etc, join the local rugby club or sports team. Go to the local pub every Friday.
Set up some businesses; a few suggestions are Clydesdale breeding, metal manufacturing/recycling, basic medical supplies, etc. Hell, you could even build a small rail engine shop if you needed to and there was a rail line nearby. Use the wealth that Bill or the Sultan of Brunei has given you to establish needed infrastructure in town. An agricultural district should still be sufficient to meet your food needs, but unless you want to be out there from dawn to dusk with a hoe or shovel, fill another economic niche and supply the farmers. With this 'unlimited wealth' you can either learn it, or hire someone to do the technical stuff.
Being in a small town, and integrating yourself into it, means you have people you can trust to watch your back (hopefully). Establishing a useful, if not vital, business, means people won't run you out of town as a parasite. It means you get companionship and all the other benefits of living amongst friends, and relieves you of the 'antelope syndrome' survivalists in the hills will develop. The key will be acceptance; if the locals don't like you, you'll get the chop as soon as things get hard enough.
But to me, there is no other viable solution, except living with other people. A town of 5,000 or so, surrounded by thousands more on local farms, will be enough to fight off anything except an army. Become part of this social fabric, and you'll be set.
Joined: Aug 10, 2004 Posts: 1104 Location: San Diego, CA, USA
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Unlimited Cost Solution
I've joked with friends that I'll convert to Mormonism and move to Utah. The Mormons tend to take care of one another and would probably organized to form a stable state pretty quickly. And if you study their origins, you knwo that they are hand with weapons.
Joined: Aug 16, 2004 Posts: 7 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:51 pm Post subject:
I've been thinking about using a big cargo ship, or a oil tanker(no one will be needing those much after the oil crash). They have a large deck space, which could be convered in soil to grow food. If the ship is parked in a shealted bay then storms will not be too much of a problem. Rainwater could be collected from the deck of the ship, or seawater could be pulled up the side and distilled.
The ship will be easy to defend against intruders, if all the ladders down the sides are taken away then no one could get up. There will already be stuff like beds, kitchens and medical supplies.
Any waste can be dumped over the side.
Joined: May 24, 2004 Posts: 3429 Location: California, USA
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:08 pm Post subject:
What Felix says makes sense. Makes a lot of sense in areas where there is already something like a stable community, though it's a good idea to do it fast because stable peoples like to take their time to get to know "newcomers."
The reason I think a lot of us USAers talk about creating communities from scratch is that there has been a serious breakdown in community here. Neighborhoods are not stable, people move too frequently, and usually their economic relationships are with something distant rather than with something near. The fabric has been shredded.
Rural areas are sufficiently stretched economically, as to make it difficult to just move in and find work sufficient to provide roof. So in order to make that work, one needs sufficient savings as to be able to move in and set up a viable business, or at least be able to wait it out until work becomes available locally.
Hence the idea of working in the city, saving $$, and then being able to go rural with a sufficient number of people as to improve the chances of viability for whatever enterprises you set up when you get there.
Joined: Jul 07, 2004 Posts: 434 Location: Berkeley CA
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:07 am Post subject:
If I had unlimited money, I'd buy an aircraft carrier. The carrier is equiped with a nuclear reactor, this provides power to run the ship, and generate electric power to power everything else thats onboard the ship. Nuclear power generates alot of energy, so this is a fast sailing ship. This energy also provides water to distill seawater so I'll have a supply of water. Seawater is everywhere, and unlimiated.
The carriers flight deck, which is huge, I expect an area covering at least a few acres, will be covered with soil. That is what will be used to grow food.
The huge ship will also fish the sea for food, so there's a double food source.
The ships will be equiped with advanced weapons. A 50 calibar heavy machine gun, and sophistiated tomahawk cruse missiles. I will have sonar, radar, and GPS, so I can see whoever is coming.
I'll have total sovereignty over the seven seas, if I pirate wants a piece of my ship, I'd teach them a lesson with the weaponary I have.
The rest of the ship will have plenty of space, there is space for many large bedrooms, kitchen, bathrooms, other rooms, even an indoor swimming pool.
As far as waste disposal, whenever goes down the toliet goes into the sea.
This aircraft carrier, provides everything; food, water, shelter, defense, energy, etc.... talking about secure this is the ship to be on.
Let my imagination run wild....
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" -Albert Einstein
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