Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 12:08 pm Post subject: TWO new 100 Million Gallon Per Year Ethanol Plants
Adding to the current 84 ethanol plants in operation in the United States, sixteen new plants are actually under construction and two are being expanded...... and now this.....!
The New Panda Group Plant will convert cattle manure and cotton gin waste into bio-gas to power their new $120,000,000 ..... 100 million gallon per year ethanol plant!
Joined: May 17, 2004 Posts: 1969 Location: Democratic People's Republic of Washington
Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 12:28 pm Post subject:
So this would be about 4,761,904 BOE per year, or 13,046 BOE per day . Considering that the demand just for the US is 20,000,000 BOE per day, this would provide us with 55.2 seconds worth of energy. Not exactly a real solution there. We only need 559,560 more of these plants to solve our oil problems just for the USA, and that assumes that we could just substitute ethanol for oil on a 1:1 ratio. _________________ Here Lies the United States Of America.
Bigg, I must confess that I don't understand the point of this item. As k_semler points out, such plants do not offer a way to sidestep the peak oil issue.
In your post, you mention that the New Panda Group Plant will convert cattle manure, among other things, into biogas. But as nitrogen fertilizers become more expensive, and global population continues to expand, one cannot but wonder where we will get enough manure and other such materials to make this scalable. It is more efficient to eat grain than to eat beef, so one might question the liklihood of maintenance of the current number of cattle.
IGNORANTIGNORANTIGNORANT. This is getting very old, BIGG. Don't you have anything better to do besides cluttering up the board with your totally ignorant posts?
IGNORANTIGNORANTIGNORANT. This is getting very old, BIGG. Don't you have anything better to do besides cluttering up the board with your totally ignorant posts?
And for that matter, what is a post about heat pumps OR this bio-fuel post have to do with 'current events'?
Bigg, I must confess that I don't understand the point of this item. As k_semler points out, such plants do not offer a way to sidestep the peak oil issue.
In your post, you mention that the New Panda Group Plant will convert cattle manure, among other things, into biogas. But as nitrogen fertilizers become more expensive, and global population continues to expand, one cannot but wonder where we will get enough manure and other such materials to make this scalable. It is more efficient to eat grain than to eat beef, so one might question the liklihood of maintenance of the current number of cattle.
So, I'm curious. Is it your intent to persuade the group that innovation will sidestep the issues of peak oil?
Jack,
YES! I am attempting to show the BiGG picture here. I generally smile at those who keep doing their math equations and telling me things like how this latest post is only a “few” days worth of existing use as I have already shown some of the other plans currently in use or in the works and these “few” days are already several months. I have a long way to go also btw.
I’m not only going to show current consumption a non-issue before I am done, I’m going to show US exceeding current consumption capacity and the many ways the rich & poor will be getting richer along the way pending I don’t get banned from the site first. If I do, there’s others waiting in the wings to take my spot as mankind relies on sensible & prudent planning and a voice form the other side of doom is sorely needed here.
Right now as we speak, Governments, Universities, & Industry around the planet are working feverously to create a greener and better place for US all. Right now the use of antiquated oil & gas is preplanned for oblivion as the new era technologies are a better choice for US all. Antiquated oil & gas are going the way of the horse & buggy and it has nothing to do with running out.
This world is BiGG business, there’s corporations fighting to keep US addicted to antiquated oil & gas and there’s corporations fighting to unseat those Neanderthals with new era technologies. New technologies are starting to win and that’s better for all of US. From the helpless little ol’ ladies to the kiddies & babies, you name it, clean & green is our future and clean & green = dollars here supporting localities, not supporting Middle Eastern desert dwellers and inefficient systems from the past.
The new world is here right before everyone’s eyes and its even more beautiful tomorrow than it was yesterday, I’m trying to get people to see that, especially Americans as I will always be rooting the home team on. We have a lot of competition and its not easy staying on top, but stay on top we will imo. Soon we shall take a look at the competition around the planet btw, they are not screwing around by any means either!
PS The fertilizers you mentioned are already a non-issue as they are being made with new era technologies also and new bio-engineered food is requiring less of them & evil pesticides more & more every day. That’s the subject for another day though.
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13191 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject:
BiGG wrote:
PS The fertilizers you mentioned are already a non-issue as they are being made with new era technologies also and new bio-engineered food is requiring less of them & evil pesticides more & more every day. That’s the subject for another day though.
Hogwash. Give me ONE example of a bioengineered food crop which uses less fertilizer than conventional crops. Just one.
PS The fertilizers you mentioned are already a non-issue as they are being made with new era technologies also and new bio-engineered food is requiring less of them & evil pesticides more & more every day. That’s the subject for another day though.
Hogwash. Give me ONE example of a bioengineered food crop which uses less fertilizer than conventional crops. Just one.
Hogwash Ludi says! In the Technological Developments section you can read and see where it says, "Research is constantly being conducted to improve crop yields and the efficiency of fertilizer usage (fig. 5). Precision agriculture uses Global Positioning System technology, intensive soil testing, and computer-controlled fertilizer application equipment to determine nutrient requirements and to apply precisely those materials as determined by the data. This reduces excess application of fertilizers and minimizes nutrient deficiencies that may be neglected in a less rigorous fertilizer application plan.
Genetic research has developed crop varieties that increase yields without requiring comparable increases in fertilizer requirements. New strains of crops also are being developed that are resistant to insects and specific herbicides and have increased nutritional value for people or animals."
Figure 5. Photograph showing a soybean test plot demonstrating the improved growth obtained with the addition of potash. Photograph courtesy of the Potash and Phosphate Institute.
Ahh, nothing like the faith in human arrogance. First of all, efficiency improvements NEVER lead to less consumption. Just because you can get more results with less inputs does not negate the fact that those inputs are ultimately not sustainable in origin. Plus now that you have an increased out put means we will collectively find more uses for that new output (either more people eating or more non consumptive uses such as ethanol production). Before long we are back at the same point.
Repeat after me: We cannot grow a solution to our problem.
On a side note, the BiGG line of thinking permeates the leadership of my county. As a planner this is what I am up against. _________________ UNplanning the future...
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