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mattduke
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 Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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| Are the wars over now, or do we have to wait for him to take office before the wars are over? I mean, I know the president doesn't have power to declare war and peace, so I guess it is not up to him. |
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biofuel13
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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The wars are not over. Not now. Not in January. Not by 2012.
He really has no intention of ending the wars.
He will attempt to "reduce" the number of US troops in Iraq.
He already stated he wants to add troops to Afghanistan.
He is American and will keep our troops busy.
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kam3Oen
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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| If we leave, China or Russia will be in there. |
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Fishman
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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| Which one? Do you mean starting soon in Congo, Eastern Europe, Iran, China/Tiawan, or North /South Korea? You seem to have forgotten you history. Biden said it best, tested soon after inaugurated |
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Ludi
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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| biofuel13 wrote: |
He really has no intention of ending the wars.
He will attempt to "reduce" the number of US troops in Iraq.
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"Barack Obama will responsibly end the war in Iraq:
Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: successfully ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
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Fishman
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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| Um Ludi, I love your quotes from Obama's site, but do you really believe anything he says? Like "i sat in that church for 20 years and never heard that preacher say those things" or tax cuts for 95% of the people are on the way. |
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rdsaltpower
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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| "phased withdrawl" like 4 to 8 years? |
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Ludi
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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| rdsaltpower wrote: | | "phased withdrawl" like 4 to 8 years? |
"Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010"
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
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mos6507
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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| Fishman wrote: | | Um Ludi, I love your quotes from Obama's site, but do you really believe anything he says? Like "i sat in that church for 20 years and never heard that preacher say those things" or tax cuts for 95% of the people are on the way. |
Please stop trying to keep fighting the election. It's over, man. Deal with it. The american people have given their trust over to him. If he's a wolf in sheep's clothing, he does a damn good job of hiding it.
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JPL
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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| Ludi wrote: | | rdsaltpower wrote: | | "phased withdrawl" like 4 to 8 years? |
"Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010"
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/ |
So would that involve soldiers from Europe & Britain as well? Just thought I'd ask, seeing as we are involved (& dying) in this pointless war too.
I was watching the UK news a couple of weeks ago & they were covering the fly-in, procession & funeral of six soldiers killed (in about as many days) in Afghanistan.
But I don't suppose this matters really, does it?
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Ludi
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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| JPL wrote: |
So would that involve soldiers from Europe & Britain as well? |
I'm pretty sure the US president doesn't have control over non-US troops.
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JPL
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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| Ludi wrote: | | JPL wrote: |
So would that involve soldiers from Europe & Britain as well? |
I'm pretty sure the US president doesn't have control over non-US troops. |
Sorry Ludi, pissed off now.
Q. The fact that British & French soldiers are dying in Iraq & Afganistan has nothing to do with US foreign policy. Please answer Y or N.
Q. The 500 thousand (estimated) Iraqi civilian & military personel that have died since 2003 have nothing to do with US foreign policy, US paranoia, and the replacement of the phantom 'communist' threat with the 'islamist' one. Y or N, please.
Q. This does not involve the rest of the 'so-called' free world because a certain country now has a beautiful black president and everything is going to be OK for everyone all over the world regardless of creed, race or colour. So it's all going to be wonderful everywhere from now on.
Don't bother to answer the last one.
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Ludi
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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Don't know what you're pissed off about.
If you want to know about Obama's foreign policy plans, look at his plan. I've been linking to it for weeks now, so I'm not linking to it again.
Piss off yourself.
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JPL
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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| Ludi wrote: | Don't know what you're pissed off about.
If you want to know about Obama's foreign policy plans, look at his plan. I've been linking to it for weeks now, so I'm not linking to it again.
Piss off yourself. |
I am talking about the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. You can't just turn this legacy around and say,' Oh it's OK now, we have a new administration and it's a demonstration of the power of American Democracy that we are now going to say sorry to everyone & BTW that will also prove we were right all along because we have the collective power to - let me get this right - CHANGE OUR OPINIONS'.
Have you ever seen an A10 strafe an Afghani village? It's not pretty. It's not fair & it's not worth doing either. And guess what's the most beautiful part about it? It's going to happen again tomorrow. And the next day. And they day after. And it's also going to happen in Somalia. And other places.
What a beautiful farking world we live in. And guess who created it. And keep on trying to re-create themselves. Isn't it absoutely wonderfull, beautifull, and true?
JP
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yeahbut
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Elected. Wars Ending Soon. |
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| JPL wrote: | | Ludi wrote: | | JPL wrote: |
So would that involve soldiers from Europe & Britain as well? |
I'm pretty sure the US president doesn't have control over non-US troops. |
Sorry Ludi, pissed off now.
Q. The fact that British & French soldiers are dying in Iraq & Afganistan has nothing to do with US foreign policy. Please answer Y or N. |
C'mon JP, Ludi's point is perfectly correct. The reason that British soldiers are dying in Iraq is because of British foreign policy- your government sent them there, it didn't have to. That muppet Blair was as convinced of the righteousness of the invasion as any yank neocon. The decision to stop being a poodle and pull your troops out is in your own govt's hands. |
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