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pup55 Expert


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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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Sedona Fires
Monte: Give us a heads up if you are Okay out there. |
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gnm Expert


Joined: Jul 08, 2004 Posts: 2737 Location: plundering eco-villages
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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argh. Even if they get this one under control the dry lightning season is just beginning. Everything around here is crispy dry and I feel as if I am sitting in a pack of matches. 70 years of fire suppresion have created the most hideously overgrown and now drought ravaged tinderbox you can imagine. We have already moved our things to safehavens. I hope Monte had a chance to as well. We are seeing some of the downwind smoke here in NM already.
-G
gnm outside Tijeras, NM (where some areas have 80% standing dead pine.) _________________ I Have and will continue to vote against ANY politician who supports the various bailouts. Curse you for selling out our future for status quo now! |
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jato Moderator


Joined: Aug 14, 2004 Posts: 2069 Location: San Diego, Ca.
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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I was threatened in the 2003 "Paradise Fire".
Fire sucks!
Stay safe out there!
Keep us posted. _________________ "Peak oil isn't more than an interesting industry factoid and doesn't have anything to do with the hysterics speculated on ad nauseum around here!" ReserveGrowthRulz |
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pup55 Expert


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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:15 am Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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Sedona via Wikipedia
Here it is. I was out there a few years ago. Most of the structures are in kind of a low-lying area, with lots of flammable material in it.
It's really quite a nice place.
There are differences of opinion about this whole issue of fires out west. Ecologically, every few years these places are supposed to burn out so the area can be cleansed of its flammable undergrowth, makes the forest healthier, etc. But, this is pretty inconvenient for the people who have chosen to live there since the last big fire.
So, some of the locals, mainly the real estate developers, and chamber of commerce types, try to resist nature and keep these fires to a minimum. The Forest Service tends to favor letting it burn, like they did in Yellowstone a few years ago.
It would be interesting to get Monte's take on this, since he is a former ranger, etc. and also may be directly involved in a hands-on way. |
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MonteQuest Elite


Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 13460 Location: Sedona, Arizona
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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| pup55 wrote: | | Monte: Give us a heads up if you are Okay out there. |
I'm fine. The Brins Fire is about 6 miles from me. It started near a trail head in the Secret Mountain Wilderness. Probably by a cigarette.
The Seven Canyons area with about 400 home was evacuated. This is over the mountain range you see in the valley photo. It burned to the foot of Wilson Mt. and then ran up the side from about 4500' to over 7000' and is now burning the Pondersa pine forest rather than the junipers we have down here.
We have not had any real rain for almost a year. It is very dry with temperatures over 100 degrees.
Hwy 89A is closed through Oak Creek Canyon. Everyone is hoping that the fire will be contained on the mountain top and not drop into the canyon. If it does, it could burn all the way to Flagstaff.
http://www.experiencesedona.com/gallery/redrock/ _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
Live in Arizona? Check out: http://sustainablearizona.org and read my blog. |
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PeakOiler Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 1137 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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Glad to hear you're dodging the flames out there.
Can you feel the love from your fellow PO'lers?
Nice pics in the Sedona gallery btw, MQ.
Reminds me a little of Big Bend Nat. Park.
Interesting place to camp out for PO however.
Is the population growing out there?
Are your neighbors PO friendly/neutral or informed? |
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MonteQuest Elite


Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 13460 Location: Sedona, Arizona
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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| PeakOiler wrote: | Interesting place to camp out for PO however.
Is the population growing out there?
Are your neighbors PO friendly/neutral or informed? |
We have about 17,000 people. The immediate area can't grow as it is surrounded by wilderness. We have a year round trout stream that flows through town (Oak Creek) and the longest stretch of remaining wild and scenic river (Verde River) in America.
The Verde Valley is quite fertile, however I also have a 212 working farm in NW Missouri.
The area is known for it's New Age and holistic thinking. I have teamed up with the locals to be the site admin for http://sustainablearizona.org _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
Live in Arizona? Check out: http://sustainablearizona.org and read my blog. |
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Kingcoal Expert


Joined: Sep 29, 2004 Posts: 2330 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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Beautiful website Monte! _________________ "That's the problem with mercy, kid... It just ain't professional" - Fast Eddie, The Color of Money |
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MonteQuest Elite


Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 13460 Location: Sedona, Arizona
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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| Kingcoal wrote: | | Beautiful website Monte! |
Thanks! I built it with help from Aaron. He gets full credit for the splash page. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
Live in Arizona? Check out: http://sustainablearizona.org and read my blog. |
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MonteQuest Elite


Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 13460 Location: Sedona, Arizona
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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The Brins Fire is now 1,100 acres and only 5% contained. It has moved down into Oak Creek Canyon into heavy fuel. This was our worse fear. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
Live in Arizona? Check out: http://sustainablearizona.org and read my blog. |
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pup55 Expert


Joined: May 26, 2004 Posts: 3853
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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Sunny. Light winds becoming southwest 10 to 20 mph in the afternoon. Highs 90 to 98. |
Hot, windy. Not good. |
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gnm Expert


Joined: Jul 08, 2004 Posts: 2737 Location: plundering eco-villages
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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Great. So after looking into it I don't think a lot of the smoke here is from AZ but instead from the 10 or so fires burning thoughout NM. Most are fairly small or in unpopulated areas but that seems to be whats contributing most to the brown pall over the state. I found this site which is good for updates. Maybe there is one for AZ?
NM fire info
Thunderstorms moving in the weekend maybe. While we REALLY need the rain it will put us at high risk for more fiires. It will take a whole lot of rain to keep things from lighting up out here...
Good luck in Sedona Monte...
-G _________________ I Have and will continue to vote against ANY politician who supports the various bailouts. Curse you for selling out our future for status quo now! |
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eric_b Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jan 14, 2005 Posts: 1222 Location: us
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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{edit, edit]
Choosing the evening time frame and visible
satellite imagery is the best way to hunt for
smoke from large forest fires. The oblique sun
angle helps to make the smoke more noticeable.
Indeed, here are a few shots from yesterday (june 21).
I've added red arrows beneath the smoke plume.
First image. There is indeed a large fire or
group of fires burning in New Mexico. Plume
moving to the northeast.
Next, couple of closeups of the above image.
Below you can see the heavy smoke plume from
NM crossing the Texas panhandle.
Yet further downstream the plume approaches
my neck of the woods - wisconsin.

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gnm Expert


Joined: Jul 08, 2004 Posts: 2737 Location: plundering eco-villages
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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I hate to break it to you but that isn't Arizona, its New Mexico... The smoke is largely coming from the reserve complex fires in SW New Mexico.
-G  _________________ I Have and will continue to vote against ANY politician who supports the various bailouts. Curse you for selling out our future for status quo now! |
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eric_b Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? |
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| gnm wrote: | I hate to break it to you but that isn't Arizona, its New Mexico... The smoke is largely coming from the reserve complex fires in SW New Mexico.
-G  |
>sigh<
I knew that - really. Such are the hazards of posting before drinking
first cup of coffee.
My Mom lives in NM, I should've noticed this
(slaps forehead) |
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