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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:31 am    Post subject: Saudi Crude Production Falling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

FROM HERE

Is he right?
what's the real story this time do we all think?

Looks like we could be well past peak.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Crude Production Falling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It looks credible.

We have a remarkable number of items showing up from various sources, all confirming that we are at (or a little after) Peak. And yet, we in the Peak Oil community seem ever more reticent to admit that the event we've been looking for is at hand.

Perhaps we won't regard it as real until Mad Max himself walks up and starts singing. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Crude Production Falling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Jack wrote:
It looks credible.

We have a remarkable number of items showing up from various sources, all confirming that we are at (or a little after) Peak. And yet, we in the Peak Oil community seem ever more reticent to admit that the event we've been looking for is at hand.

Perhaps we won't regard it as real until Mad Max himself walks up and starts singing. Laughing


Laughing

Nice one.

As for the OP, I read the article, I wouldn't be surprised.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Crude Production Falling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Jack wrote:
It looks credible.

We have a remarkable number of items showing up from various sources, all confirming that we are at (or a little after) Peak. And yet, we in the Peak Oil community seem ever more reticent to admit that the event we've been looking for is at hand.

Perhaps we won't regard it as real until Mad Max himself walks up and starts singing. Laughing


or maybe we're all just pre doomers and there's a whole other breed of post doomers to emerge

and that may actually be true.

We know and scream the emperor is naked, someone else will have to dress him
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:40 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Crude Production Falling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

KevO wrote:

We know and scream the emperor is naked, someone else will have to dress him


Read: "rape him" <sarcastic mode; info for those sad feminists>.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:23 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Crude Production Falling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This is being discussed at length over at www.theoildrum.com Jeffery Brown aka westexas has postulated that Gahwar is beyond peak at this point and the Saudi's are behaving exactly as Texas did in 1970'2.

It is looking more and more like Dr. Brown, Matt Simmons and Ken Deffeyes are correct. Daniel Yergin, Michael Lynch and Peter Huber may have to start eating some crow.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Crude Production Falling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ancien_Opus wrote:
This is being discussed at length over at www.theoildrum.com Jeffery Brown aka westexas has postulated that Gahwar is beyond peak at this point and the Saudi's are behaving exactly as Texas did in 1970'2.

It is looking more and more like Dr. Brown, Matt Simmons and Ken Deffeyes are correct. Daniel Yergin, Michael Lynch and Peter Huber may have to start eating some crow.


thanks for that. It's off to the oildrum then.
Be sure to put in the the or you get a completely different site

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Crude Production Falling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ancien_Opus said:

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Daniel Yergin, Michael Lynch and Peter Huber may have to start eating some crow.

I hope someone serves it to them on a silver platter - including the feathers.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Crude Production Falling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I can't find the discussion on the oil drum can someone tell me where to look or where to search, thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi Crude Production Falling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Start here

Then go here
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi Crude Production Falling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Apparently the story coming from the technical experts in the oil fields is very different than the story coming out of the political types in the royal family and the oil ministry. The ministry says it can boost capacity by 25% in two or three years, when there has been no ability to increase it at all over the last two years despite record prices. The technical types are saying that it will take fairly heroic measures to keep production flat.

My bet is that the technical types have it right. If the incremental oil to meet growing demand does not come from Saudi Arabia, it is hard to see where it will come from. If so, the bull market in oil is only beginning and we are unlikely to ever see $50 oil again, not in our lifetimes, our children's or our grandchildren's. In other words, peak oil maybe happening even sooner than I had thought, and I have been on the relatively pessimistic side. I hope I am wrong, but fear I am right.


I'm sorry, but is this it? (I'm hoping there is more that you're basing your fears upon). If not then rockdoc is going to tear your head off I'm afraid.

Just because they couldn't increase production in the past few years means diddly squat about their ability in the next few. New fields coming online within the next 3 years are projected to increase production by 3 mpd (33% increase). You simply can't just drill a hole once oil hits $50 a barrel and then calm the markets. You just can't. There was limited spare capacity, but that is now gone. Now we have to drill and wait for the new oil to come online (very good oil too, I believe). There is generally a lag time of several years between development and production, so please hold your horses before you go riding off into the woods.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi Crude Production Falling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This is just dredfull news...so many giant fields going into decline in one year. True we don't know for sure that ghawar is in decline, but after pumping it for so many decades i think it's a definate possibility.

We may be post-peak after all Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi Crude Production Falling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Basically what Mekrob said (I don't tear peoples head off...simply politely ask them to look at what is hard evidence, fact and what is supposition).

Now when someone says "apparently the story coming from technical experts in the field" I immediately put on my Matt Simmons bullshit filter....who are these technical experts? Source for this information? So you would believe an apparent source, unnamed, not sure what kind of technical background they have or what access to data they might have...over the official statements. This suggests a prejudice against anything being said by Saudi officials. This attitude, which by the way is quite prevalent on this site, is something I've never understood. I've spent a considerable amount of time in the Middle East, worked with many Arab colleagues from various countries and I have never noted that lying was a cultural trait. Now if we were just talking about politicians then that's another matter so if it was just Al Naimi talking I'd question the statement more...but indeed it is pretty much all of the management at Aramco saying pretty much the same thing.

Personally I am waiting until end 2006 to look at production numbers from Haradh III and then overall Saudi production numbers to compare against their target. Assuming demand for the heavier crudes returns this should be a good indication if the fields are indeed declining at a quite admirable rate of 2%/annum.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi Crude Production Falling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

rockdoc123 wrote:
I've spent a considerable amount of time in the Middle East, worked with many Arab colleagues from various countries and I have never noted that lying was a cultural trait.


Rockdoc you have got to be kidding. I also have worked for many years with people of Arab descent both in the US and abroad. Lying isn't a cultural trait, it's a dominant genetic profile. These are the people that shake hands on a deal and then begin negotiations.

It may be that you have dealt with engineers and technicians mostly, who have honesty trained into them by schooling.
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