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ohanian
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 Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: "Inverse Generator" - Phase 1 |
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It's been great pleasure to announce to you that I, Ohanian a peakoil.com nutcase had recently designed and build a prototype of an electric motor wheel.
It's still working in progress hence not yet working 100% as there is a part that need manual cranking for now and not yet incorporate the magnetic induction portion of the wheel.
When I get it working, I'll incorporate it into my new electric car!
The SUX 2000 Kitty Magnet
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Merry Christmas!
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dinopello
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: "Inverse Generator" - Phase 1 |
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ohanian - its not a motor, it's an inverse generator. Geez!
But, I do want a kitty magnet for Christmas ! Sounds hot. |
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gnm
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: "Inverse Generator" - Phase 1 |
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| simontay78 wrote: | | It's still working in progress hence not yet working 100% |
Ya Think?
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as there is a part that need manual movement for now and not yet incorporate the magnetic induction portion of the wheel. |
translation : you still need to turn it manually and it doesn't make power...
Good luck with that whole altering physics thing....
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FoxV
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: "Inverse Generator" - Phase 1 |
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| simontay78 wrote: | | It's been great pleasure to announce to you that I, Simon Tay, a peakoil.com member had recently designed and build a prototype of a magnetic energy conversion wheel. |
sorry to rain on your parade Simon, but I'm afraid what you have "invented" is just a Permanent Magnet motor (or a regular electric motor if you do not have a magnet mounted in the wheel). The only difference is that the job normally done by electricity (flipping a magnetic field) is being done by your hand.
but hey, lets give credit for trying.
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ohanian
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: "Inverse Generator" - Phase 1 |
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It's a fcuking electric motor.
Instead of turning/inducing a motion to the wheel with an alternating electromagnetic field, you are providing a changing magnetic field by moving the permanent magnet closer and further away with your hand by moving your hand up and down as if you are jerking yourself off.
Once you get the wheel moving, you only need to add a little bit more energy to the system to increase the angular velocity of the wheel by over coming air friction.
Once you stop jerking your hand the wheel will slow down due to air friction and bearing friction.
It's a bloody electric motor!!! |
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ohanian
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: "Inverse Generator" - Phase 1 |
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You know what is really sad
Simon has a Diploma In Electronic & Computer Engineering (or so he claims).
And he still couldn't tell that he has invented an electric motor.
Dude! As soon as you put a load on your electric motor, it will slow down and to maintain a constant angular velocity you would need to jerk your hand up and down even faster!!! No free lunch here.
It's also sad that dumb people on youtube just encourages you in this futile venture.
| Quote: | | This is a terrible thing to say in a way.. But even at this stage.. if you had a row of these wheels all connected and a group of people, women , old, men anyone You have a village generator.. providing remote and free energy .. Fantastic simple but original experiment, and well demonstrated. |
| Quote: | | Impressive experiment. This will be the future for all mankind. |
| Quote: | Brilliant!!!
Do you suppose that with gears and levers attached to the wheel would make the magnet automatically fluctuate in and out. then spin the wheel and it keeps going all by itself.
If that works then add more levers and more magnets to increase torque. |
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tsakach
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: "Inverse Generator" - Phase 1 |
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This hand-powered generator reminded me of the one-laptop-per-child project, where $100 notebooks will be distributed to children in developing countries. The notebooks are designed to operate from minimal power, and include a hand-cranked generator that supplies 3-5 watts to charge the battery on the notebook.
But a hand crank is cumbersome since you have to stop and crank the handle for about a minute every few minutes. The hand-crank is made from cheap plastic and looks like it would not last very long.
So here are a few thoughts regarding Simon's electric generator design:
Maybe instead of hand operation, a foot-pumped generator would allow you to continue working instead of stopping to crank the handle.
The generator stores some kinetic energy, so rather than relying on lithium batteries the laptop could be powered entirely by a flywheel.
The generator looks simple enough to be constructed by the end user. Maybe it could be sold as a kit, and make use of recycled bicycle parts, etc.
May I suggest you look at the forums at http://www.otherpower.com |
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gnm
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: "Inverse Generator" - Phase 1 |
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On the other hand (no pun intended!) if he perfects the design he could harness the staggering potential energy of young guys jerking off!
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kokoda
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:28 am Post subject: Re: "Inverse Generator" - Phase 1 |
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I don't get it ... you spin the wheel by moving a magnet ... what is the point?
How is this fundamentally different to spinning a a wheel by just using your hand. In fact just using your hand would be more efficient then expending all that extra energy waving a magnet around. |
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simontay78
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:40 am Post subject: Re: "Inverse Generator" - Phase 1 |
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The idea is to move the wheel by the strength of magnetic repulsion to be added to gravity plus inertia to rotate the wheel.
It's not complete yet since it's not automatic and still need a small hand movement to move the wheel. It's a big improvement from hand cranked dynamo.
Using windmill magnetic induction ideas, this wheel is possible to induce electricity to magnetic coils and create electricity...but for now I haven't implement that part yet since it's not automatic.
The benefits of this are it does not depends on availability of wind, sun or sea to generate renewable electricity but the "permanent" strength of magnet and now a small hand movement.
A youtube comment says if I line up a couple of wheels with some villages to "jerk off" movement, it had just "scaled" up the electricity generation at much less energy used!
I won't want a bicycle riding the dynamo future like in the movie "Soylent Green (1973)"
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kokoda
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:12 am Post subject: Re: "Inverse Generator" - Phase 1 |
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... but energy cannot be created from nothing.
The magnet is merely conducting the kinetic energy being generated by the movement of your arm.
The fact that a magnet can repel means nothing since the object being repelled would eventually come to rest as a result of inertia. It is only the additional energy being applied by the movement of your arm that keeps the device spinning.
To automate the process you would need to replace your muscle power with some other energy source ... which kind of defeats the purpose. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: Re: "Inverse Generator" - Phase 1 |
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Simple Simon
I suggest that you read this very very carefully.
Especially the bit about "there is no such thing as a free lunch".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law_of_thermodynamics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
The seemingly mysterious ability of magnets to influence motion at a distance without any apparent energy source has long appealed to inventors. However, a constant magnetic field can do no work because the force it exerts on a charged particle is always at right angles to its motion; a changing field can do work, but requires energy to sustain. A "fixed" magnet can do work, but energy is dissipated in the process, typically weakening the magnet's strength over time. Thus, when a magnet does work by lifting an iron weight, potential energy is converted to kinetic energy. Once the iron hits the magnet its kinetic energy is converted to heat and sound. In order to release further energy, the iron must be moved away from the magnet. This converts the energy of your arm to potential energy again. Since the energy of parting the magnet and iron is identical to the energy released as the magnet and iron come together, no net energy can be gained by changing the iron - magnet distance. |
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ohanian
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: Re: "Inverse Generator" - Phase 1 |
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| simontay78 wrote: | The idea is to move the wheel by the strength of magnetic repulsion to be added to gravity plus inertia to rotate the wheel.
It's not complete yet since it's not automatic and still need a small hand movement to move the wheel. It's a big improvement from hand cranked dynamo.
Using windmill magnetic induction ideas, this wheel is possible to induce electricity to magnetic coils and create electricity...but for now I haven't implement that part yet since it's not automatic.
The benefits of this are it does not depends on availability of wind, sun or sea to generate renewable electricity but the "permanent" strength of magnet and now a small hand movement.
A youtube comment says if I line up a couple of wheels with some villages to "jerk off" movement, it had just "scaled" up the electricity generation at much less energy used!
I won't want a bicycle riding the dynamo future like in the movie "Soylent Green (1973)" |
So the ultimate objective is to
(1) turn the wheel using the mysterious power of the magnet and gravity
(2) Hook up an electrical generator to the wheel to extract electricity energy.
(3) Enjoy the benefit of the excess electrical energy
Simon , did you really have a diploma of Electronic Engineering? Have you ever studied physics?
Do you really believe in this?
Let me tell you what you have.
You have essentially an electric motor which you power with human energy using your "jerk off" hand motion.
The amount of kinetic energy in the "wheel" is equal to (or less than) the amount of energy your body used up to move your hand up and down.
You cannot extract more electrical energy from the wheel than you yourself have put in. No amount of mental masturbation or real masturbation handiwork will ever extract more energy from your "inverse generator" wheel than what your body was already expended.
The whole idea is dumb to the point of STUPIDITY!!!!
It's like hooking up an electric motor to a dynamo in order to power that dynamo to generate electricity back again and claim that your can get more electrical energy than was put in!!!!
Wake up!!!! It's stupid!!!
On the other hand,
have you ever consider making this
into a sex toy?
A sex toy that produces electricity
from the power of masturbation?
Sounds rather kinky to me.
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