How Will History Judge.

Fatherof4 · Tar Sands Joined: Aug 18, 2004 Posts: 79

I think it's highly likely that the U.S government had some role in the 9-11 attacks considering our need as a society to feed our insatiable oil hunger. It was the only thing that would galvanize our resolve as a nation to send our sons and daughters into harm's way.

As appalling as that may sound, fact is, in a matter of a few years to a couple decades, the American people will be absolutely clamoring for us to go to war to get the oil we need to maintain our "American Way of Life". We may even be praising the wisdom our our current leadership in being pro-active in this regard, even if they had to lie to us now to get the job done.

johnmarkos · Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:17 pm Post subject:

I disagree. The American people will not be clamoring to send their own sons and daughters to fight in foreign wars over oil. Who says, "Here son, go get yourself killed on foreign soil so I can keep driving my SUV?"

This administration's lies are falling apart already. How much longer can they hold?

Fatherof4 · Tar Sands Joined: Aug 18, 2004 Posts: 79

It won't be about SUVs. It will be more about survival, or at least it will seem like it to us. More like "Son go fight and die on foreign soil for oil so that your little sister can eat. Those foreign so-and-so's are holding the oil hostage and we must make them pay. How dare they think that they can deprive us of such a basic need?"

clv101 · Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:23 pm Post subject:

Has anyone read 1984? I seem to remember that had something to do with propagating 'phoney' wars as a means to control people.

pepper2000 · Heavy Crude Joined: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 123

Someday the oil wars will be over and oil will no longer be a significant part of our economy. When that day comes, I think historians will look on the present time negatively. They will say, "They could have done so much more to build a great and equitable society, but they wasted the opportunity." At least, that's what I am afraid they will say; it might not be too late to change course.

PhilBiker · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Jun 30, 2004 Posts: 1326

The ludicrous concept that the US government had anything to do with 911 will be remembered with other zany conspiracies as a sideline in history. "can you believe people believed that??".

The Industrial Age will be remembered as the age of waste and we will be thought of as spoiled brat hedonists.

Permanently_Baffled · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:22 am Post subject:

Agree with Biker. There is no way that the US government could of been involved in 9/11 without it leaving a trail, just doesn't make sense. Why go to the trouble of blowing both towers and the pentagon. Surely one or the other would of been enough if that really was the idea.

As for fighting for oil , well seems a futile strategy as unless the world stops selling oil to the US they will get less oil by going to war for it.

Besides the worldwide demand destruction caused by PO will relieve the pressure on supply for a while anyway...

PB
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NTBKtrader · Intermediate Crude Joined: Oct 19, 2004 Posts: 605

tmazanec1 · Heavy Crude Joined: Oct 12, 2004 Posts: 424

I got news for those future historians...if you come up with a sorce of cheap energy you will do the same things we did. Human nature. The only thing we learn from history is that we do not learn from history.

Trazman · Coal Joined: Oct 13, 2004 Posts: 9

Baffeled & Biker, You wan't ludicrous? There is no shortage of idiot government employees whos job is to come up with EXACTLY those plans. Case in point...

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf

This was released in a Freedom of Information Request and published just a few years ago. I specifically like the scenerios on pages 10-12 of the PDF that outline all the "incidents" that the military could stage to look like Cuba was attacking US interests. I especially like the crashing of or blowing up of a civilian aircraft. Kennedy was incensed by this memorandum. But if they can plan it they can do it.

Here's a site that explains the above in plain english and with some timelines.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

Traz

airstrip1 · Heavy Crude Joined: Aug 15, 2004 Posts: 311

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PhilBiker · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Jun 30, 2004 Posts: 1326

I can't help but think Orwell would be rolling in his grave if he saw that web site.

nailud · Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:25 am Post subject:

I would guess that we will be look back upon the same way that we look back at our ancestors who drove the mamoths and moas and countless other species to extintion--as ignorant primatives who just didn't know any better.