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After the Warming (Global Warming documentary by Burke 1989)

 
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:20 am    Post subject: After the Warming (Global Warming documentary by Burke 1989) Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

another doomer approved documentary by James Burke, this time about global warming. As always nicely wrapped in a spicy little history of the world. Enjoy! Smile

After the Warming documentary

PS For the more mystically inclined doomer: take note of the prediction of New Orleans being evacuated at the beginning of the docu.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: After the Warming (Global Warming documentary by Burke 1 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Genius!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: After the Warming (Global Warming documentary by Burke 1 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

That was excellent. It's unbelievable that the writer had us pinned down so well 18 years ago.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: After the Warming (Global Warming documentary by Burke 1 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

chakra wrote:
That was excellent. It's unbelievable that the writer had us pinned down so well 18 years ago.

Agreed, and is unbelievable that we choose as society, to go down this way, instead of choosing a more sustainable path.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: After the Warming (Global Warming documentary by Burke 1 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Can you count how many of his prophecies came true?
This guru is unbeliveble. I dropped my jaw when his said that troops will be back in Middle East, the droughts and the international agreements between countries about the climate and enviroment.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: After the Warming (Global Warming documentary by Burke 1 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I like James Burke a lot.

He was surprisingly correct on a number of things, (war, hurricanes, refugees, water crises, oil peaking in the 2010-2020 time frame) but way off on one important one:

In this scenario, by 2000, the US starts to act responsibly, and joins the effort to control greenhouse gases. The cause of this would be a couple of serious droughts, that cause food shortages in the US, and mass starvation in the third world.

We all know what has happened instead. The US walked away from any agreements, due to lack of being able to see past the end of its nose. It never got bad enough to have the natural disasters to force the US over to the other side. Plus China has emerged as a global power, and they have no interest in joining anybody or conserving anything.

Also, the third world for the most part is still not well organized enough to agree to any coordinated international system of anything.

Although this thing was intended to be optimistic, it in fact is surprisingly gloomy. Millions of deaths to starvation, refugee migrations, environmental catastrophe, all with the "good scenario" of the US being on board with the plan.

Wonder what we'll get instead.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: After the Warming (Global Warming documentary by Burke 1 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Nice documentary. His predictions are on the track, althought exact timing and sequence is not correct.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: After the Warming Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

*delete me double post*
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: After the Warming (Global Warming documentary by Burke 1 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

pup55 wrote:

In this scenario, by 2000, the US starts to act responsibly, and joins the effort to control greenhouse gases. The cause of this would be a couple of serious droughts, that cause food shortages in the US, and mass starvation in the third world.


Almost done, but Kyoto Protocol was not implemented.

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China has emerged as a global power, and they have no interest in joining anybody or conserving anything.


I still hear John Cleese: "I remind you that it was presented to us by the Corporation of the town of Sudbury to commemorate Empire Day, when we try to remember the names of all those from the Sudbury area so gallantly gave their lives to keep China British." Classic.

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Also, the third world for the most part is still not well organized enough to agree to any coordinated international system of anything.


And we help them to keep that mess... Main problem is Africa, and I don't see any real solutions in next two decades.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:08 am    Post subject: Re: After the Warming (Global Warming documentary by Burke 1 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ptarmigan wrote:
Can you count how many of his prophecies came true?
This guru is unbeliveble. I dropped my jaw when his said that troops will be back in Middle East, the droughts and the international agreements between countries about the climate and enviroment.


I'm glad you guys liked it. I posted it after watching the first half and found the second half a bit disappointing, though still worth watching for entertainment value Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: After the Warming (Global Warming documentary by Burke 1 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

We would have been on track in 2000 except for the little matter of a stolen election.

9/11 didn't change half as much of "everything" as the day the Supreme Court issued the only decision they've ever claimed is not to be taken as precedent.

And for those who think I'm biased against Republicans a-priori, consider that it was Reagan's EPA that issued the first definitive report saying we're heading into a climate crisis. That was in 1984. I got a copy and I still have it around somewhere. Whatever else you can say about Reagan, at least he didn't appoint political commisars to censor the science coming out of the various departments, and he didn't nearly destroy our military.

BTW, how long is that documentary? I want to know before I tie up my computer with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:21 am    Post subject: Re: After the Warming (Global Warming documentary by Burke 1 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

it's about 105 minutes long.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:41 pm    Post subject: Re: After the Warming (Global Warming documentary by Burke 1 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Bas wrote:
it's about 105 minutes long.
Another great video, thanks Bas!

What wasn't so good
It was a sort of soft climate change scenario.

The time scale is perhaps medium case scenario. And the rising sea levels from melting ice is more likely to be sharp rather then gradual. Also predicting the US might do something besides invading other countries seems quite laughable, but I like a good laugh. Also a high yield cactus potato, that seemed amusing too.

What was the best
I think one he best parts was when he was talking about climate refugees and migrants attempting to invade other areas to escape! It was also interesting seeing the predicted migration battles on the US/Mexican border. But since the time of this video we have opened our borders enough that I think we will be seeing large turf wars like that within our country. And I'm sure we will see more internal refugees like in New Orleans. If/when 10 million people in LA realize they are living in a desert and running out of water, their going to go somewhere...

If you find any other videos like this please share. By the way, perhaps that would make a good thread. "best realistic/doomer videos for the future" Smile
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